Break Week What are Swordsmen? What does it mean to be WSS? Directly answered by Zoro

[Shanal]

Do you speak proper English? Then its WGS:

World's Greatest Man
World's Greatest Creature
Lol.

Zolo will lose to a WSM if WSM uses swordsmanship, Zolo will outskill WSM's swordsmanship and prove he is a better swordsman, then WSM will kick Zolo's ass due to Haki, and other fighting styles difference that WSM uses (martial art, or Devil fruit etc).

Already disproved per Zoro's own definition of what he must do to be a WSS and the panels above but as I said, this agenda is literally the purpose of your online existence, so there's no way you'd ever agree even if God himself descends to say it so.

So, yeah, you do you.

In any case, what you're saying is true as long as WSM isn't a swordsman. If he's a non-SM who uses swordsmanship, as stated to be possible by Zoro... then yeah. If he's a canonically swordsman, then Zoro either wins or he ain't WSS.

 

[Erkan12]

World's Greatest Man
World's Greatest Creature
Lol.

Again, you being delusional too by thinking you are qualified enough to make pro Japanese-English translations. You are not a pro Japanese-English translator lil bro, if they are all saying WGS is accurate for Mihawk and WSM is accurate for WB then shut up and stop being biased fanboy about it.

No one said Greatest Man nor Greatest creature, thats you being delusional enough to think you can make better translations.

Pro translators said WGS for Mihawk, and WSM for WB. Thats it, stop being butthurt and stop trying to make translations just because you don't like it.

Already disproved per Zoro's own definition of what he must do to be a WSS and the panels above but as I said, this agenda is literally the purpose of your online existence, so there's no way you'd ever agree even if God himself descends to say it so.

So, yeah, you do you.

In any case, what you're saying is true as long as WSM isn't a swordsman. If he's a non-SM who uses swordsmanship, as stated to be possible by Zoro... then yeah. If he's a canonically swordsman, then Zoro either wins or he ain't WSS.

This is a simple manga, and you are making it complicated.

Zolo is underling of Luffy.
Zolo will surpass Mihawk, but he will never surpass Luffy, or Luffy's last enemies.

People like Shanks, Roger are sword users and they are on Luffy's last enemies level, thus Luffy's underling will never surpass this level.

Its that simple. Shanks and Roger > Mihawk for that reason.

Mihawk isn't replicating Shanks wifi-haki feat vs Greenbull, and Kaido himself said Haki is the most important factor in battles.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

No. I'm just saying that everything else is secondary to how Zoro describes it: not losing to someone who is considered a swordsman no matter what.

That's the primary incentive and what entails WSS to Zoro. Ofc a lot of other stuff matters and is part of that journey, but that's still the most fundamental point of it.

Then how come when they were introducing Mihawk the panel doesn’t say “Mihawk defeated Shanks” or “defeated whatever swordsman”

Oda thinks that the big deal to highlight with Mihawk is that his swordsmanship is superior to Shanks

Oh that's good.. And Rocks Sword Skill is an improvised and untitled song,

Hmm, Zoro’s 3 sword style is entirely “improvised”. He didn’t learn it from anyone. He made it up whole cloth

Zoro’s 3 sword style is so off-the-cuff that Zoro himself has no idea what he’s doing when he uses it a number of times… for example, Zoro had no idea what KoH was

(btw like you Rootbeer, I used to make assumptions about KoH and think my assumptions were fact based on shit no one said, I used to think that Because Zoro NAMED KoH that must mean he knows what he’s doing. As in why would he name something that he doesn’t even know he’s doing. This was my headcanon into believing that Zoro must know what KoH is since he managed to name it. Turns out I was severely wrong, Zoro had no idea what he was doing despite having a name for what he was doing… Do you see Rootbeer how dangerous it is to make shit up and assume you are correct)

So yeah, Zoro’s 3 sword style is also entirely “improvised”

 

[Rootbeer]

Again, you being delusional too by thinking you are qualified enough to make pro Japanese-English translations. You are not a pro Japanese-English translator lil bro, if they are all saying WGS is accurate for Mihawk and WSM is accurate for WB then shut up and stop being biased fanboy about it.

No one said Greatest Man nor Greatest creature, thats you being delusional enough to think you can make better translations.

You're wanking the translator more than you're wanking Blackbeard.. Translators are not perfect, it's not accurate to appropriate the Japanese Language and change it to suit the English Language better, that's not how things work..

You can still have your same agenda with Strongest than you have with Greatest.. The truth is Saikyou only translate to Strongest, nothing else, never will..

Hmm, Zoro’s 3 sword style is entirely “improvised”. He didn’t learn it from anyone. He made it up whole cloth

Zoro’s 3 sword style is so off-the-cuff that Zoro himself has no idea what he’s doing when he uses it a number of times… for example, Zoro had no idea what KoH was

(btw like you Rootbeer, I used to make assumptions about KoH and think my assumptions were fact based on shit no one said, I used to think that Because Zoro NAMED KoH that must mean he knows what he’s doing. As in why would he name something that he doesn’t even know he’s doing. This was my headcanon into believing that Zoro must know what KoH is since he managed to name it. Turns out I was severely wrong, Zoro had no idea what he was doing despite having a name for what he was doing… Do you see Rootbeer how dangerous it is to make shit up and assume you are correct)

So yeah, Zoro’s 3 sword style is also entirely “improvised”

Lets say Zoro's 3 Sword Style is improvised.. He still invented his 3 Sword Style and made it into a legit title song..
There's a difference between wielding 3 Swords and practicing the 3 Sword Style.. If Zoro was merely wielding 3 Swords and fighting with them then yes it would be an '' improvised '' and '' untitled '' song..

Anyway it's also hinted that Zoro's 3 Sword Style is passed down DNA, as Ushimaru may have been a 3 Sword Style user himself too..

 

[Impact]

The most active posts are just you guys arguing over swords. This got old like 5 years ago.

You've been arguing for around 5 years about some of the dumbest crap ever.

It's kind of weird when you realize you've spent almost 2000 days on one subject and you've never been paid for it or anything. It's always the same people spreading this attitude, too.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

the 3 Sword Style

What is “THE 3 SWORD STYLE”? The thing Zoro made up which he himself has no Dora what half the abilities he’s using are since he had no idea what KoH was even though it’s part of “THE 3 SWORD STYLE”

Why do you think THE 3 SWORD STYLE is some kind of “official thing”… who gave it “legitimacy”? Was their a counsel of Swordsmanship that awarded Zoro the “official seal” of swordsmanship?

I would argue Roger’s swordsmanship is MORE formal than Zoro’s since you know, SHANKS MANAGED TO LEARN IT… If it’s so improvised, why can Shanks learn it?

 

[Franosuke]

Do you see Rootbeer how dangerous it is to make shit up and assume you are correct)

It's funny because across the years he's been called out for doing this countless times and I don't think I've seen him address it even once lmao

 

[Rootbeer]

What is “THE 3 SWORD STYLE”? The thing Zoro made up which he himself has no Dora what half the abilities he’s using are since he had no idea what KoH was even though it’s part of “THE 3 SWORD STYLE”

Why do you think THE 3 SWORD STYLE is some kind of “official thing”… who gave it “legitimacy”? Was their a counsel of Swordsmanship that awarded Zoro the “official seal” of swordsmanship?

I would argue Roger’s swordsmanship is MORE formal than Zoro’s since you know, SHANKS MANAGED TO LEARN IT… If it’s so improvised, why can Shanks learn it?

Every Sword Style has a special or secret technique.. Even Fishman Karate(fighting style) with Jinbei got a secret technique.. Zoro's Sanzen Sekai..

Whether you like it or not, Zoro's 3 Sword Style is legit..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

It's funny because across the years he's been called out for doing this countless times and I don't think I've seen him address it even once lmao

I corned him in some thread somewhere and his explanation was that he thinks ALL DISCUSSIONS on these forms are basically “assumptions”

he says he doesn’t believe in objective facts regarding the story. I’m not joking, he said this.

he thinks that even things shown and stated in the panels can be considered Assumptions because it’s possible that he himself can disprove them in his mind by making up anything… so that means that things that happen on panel can be wrong DJ ce he can make up alternate facts to disprove them

Whether you like it or not, Zoro's 3 Sword Style is legit..

This isn’t the argument. The argument is Why is Zoro’s 3 sword style “legit” and Roger or Xebec’s swordsmanship are “not legit”

 

[Erkan12]

You're wanking the translator more than you're wanking Blackbeard.. Translators are not perfect, it's not accurate to appropriate the Japanese Language and change it to suit the English Language better, that's not how things work..

You can still have your same agenda with Strongest than you have with Greatest.. The truth is Saikyou only translate to Strongest, nothing else, never will..
.

Lil bro, I am not wanking translator. I am just smart enough to know they can translate better than me, you or better than a random guy from Japan, because thats their job, thats not my job. Their job is to know both Japanese and English languages at highest level, knowing 1 of them only isn't enough, they need to know both at highest level, and find the best way to translate what is written.

If there are more than 2 pro Japanese-English translators saying its WGS, and there are also both chatgpt + grok saying WGS is more accurate translation than thats it.

Besides, I already you told this; even if we go with your archaic google translate logic by ignoring professionals, and if we try to translate, Saikyo isn't the only name for that title. I already told you there are 3 names for that 1 title;
-Sekai Ichi no Kengo
-Dai Kengo
-Saikyo Kenshi

All meant same 1 title when they are using these 3 names in the manga, there aren't 3 different titles, there is 1. And WGS is the most accurate amongst all the options, thats it.

 

[Rootbeer]

This isn’t the argument. The argument is Why is Zoro’s 3 sword style “legit” and Roger or Xebec’s swordsmanship are “not legit”

I just told you how.. Zoro practicing the 3 Sword Style and having a Secret technique legitimize his Sword Style..

I don't know about Roger, but i don't think Rocks' has a Sword Style, he's just developped a Sword Skill from wielding a Sword and fighting with it generally..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I just told you how.. Zoro practicing the 3 Sword Style and having a Secret technique legitimize his Sword Style..

I don't know about Roger, but i don't think Rocks' has a Sword Style, he's just developped a Sword Skill from wielding a Sword and fighting with it generally..

Oh you are back to the “sword style” thing… So like how Brook doesn’t have a “sword style” and he just has “sword skills”

So in your mind Brook is like Rocks then? Because he doesn’t say “ sword style” then it’s “not legit”?

 

[Rootbeer]

Oh you are back to the “sword style” thing… So like how Brook doesn’t have a “sword style” and he just has “sword skills”

So in your mind Brook is like Rocks then? Because he doesn’t say “ sword style” then it’s “not legit”?

You can't prove me wrong if i think Brook has a Sword Style and Rocks' doesn't.. I can still claim it..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

You can't prove me wrong if i think Brook has a Sword Style and Rocks' doesn't.. I can still claim it..

Your reasoning for why Rocks doesn’t have a sword style is that he doesn’t shout “Rocks style” or anything whatever… So Brook doesn’t shout “Brook style” or whatever

 

[Rootbeer]

Your reasoning for why Rocks doesn’t have a sword style is that he doesn’t shout “Rocks style” or anything whatever… So Brook doesn’t shout “Brook style” or whatever

Brook's Sword Style is in his epithet like Vista.. Humming Brook and Flower Sword Vista..

Rock's could still have Sword Style, i just don't think he does.. It looks like a means to an end instead of a way of life..

 

[Rivaille]

"You never call yourself a swordsman" that line is supermisundertood by the fandom that was zoro making a point that if it what it takes to win he will even throw swordmanship
+King never gave him an answer confirming or denying
The answer King gave was in 1032 when he said he enjoy good swords duels so that confirmed him as a swordsman

And King vivre card confirmed him as a swordsman who live to collected sword. But hey what do they know?

 

[Erkan12]

"You never call yourself a swordsman" that line is supermisundertood by the fandom that was zoro making a point that if it what it takes to win he will even throw swordmanship
+King never gave him an answer confirming or denying
The answer King gave was in 1032 when he said he enjoy good swords duels so that confirmed him as a swordsman

No it doesn't confirm that. It confirms Alber can stop being a swordsman and can be a swordsman whenever he wants.

Just like Xebec used a sword, then used a pistol or used an axe later. Xebec can be all at the same time and stop using one of them if he wants.

There is no such a thing like ''you can be a swordsman and nothing else ever again''. Its just a fighting style out of many fighting styles. WGS is a very insignificant tiny little title compared to WSM title, or to PK title or to even Emperor title as Oda confirmed WGS title holder Mihawk is HIDING behind Emperor title.

 

[GeneralP123]

No it doesn't confirm that. It confirms Alber can stop being a swordsman and can be a swordsman whenever he wants.

Just like Xebec used a sword, then used a pistol or used an axe later. Xebec can be all at the same time and stop using one of them if he wants.

There is no such a thing like ''you can be a swordsman and nothing else ever again''. Its just a fighting style out of many fighting styles. WGS is a very insignificant tiny little title compared to WSM title, or to PK title or to even Emperor title as Oda confirmed WGS title holder Mihawk is HIDING behind Emperor title.

Xebec's sword is just a vehicle for his haki attacks, Mihawk's sword is his whole life.

 

[Erkan12]

Xebec's sword is just a vehicle for his haki attacks, Mihawk's sword is his whole life.

True, still Haki and swordsmanship are 2 different categories as Zolo uses ''named'' attack without Haki:

And WGS Mihawk will never replicate Shanks's wifi-haki feat vs Greenbull.

 

[GeneralP123]

True, still Haki and swordsmanship are 2 different categories as Zolo uses ''named'' attack without Haki:

And WGS Mihawk will never replicate Shanks's wifi-haki feat vs Greenbull.

True, you can be a very skilled swordsman while being a subpar haki user.