Break Week What are Swordsmen? What does it mean to be WSS? Directly answered by Zoro

Bingo to OP. Whether you have punch with a sword or have crazy swordsmanship has nothing to do with it. If Oda considers you a swordsman anywhere in the story, you are a swordsman, end of discussion. Everything else is headcanon

E.g. People confirmed swordsman in story: Shanks, Kaku, Fujitora, Brook

People who were never considered swordsman: Big Mum, King, Pica, Baby 5

People who are yet to be confirmed/debunked: Garling, Shamrock, Xebec, Shiki

Everybody in here is considered a swordsman btw
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
So Kiku and and Brook have seord TECHNIQUES with their epithets in them. They do not have seord styles.

unless you want to start arguing that actually Sword techniques are the same thing as sword styles… is that it?

If you want to say Sword techniques are the same as sword styles, then obviously we have to bring up Shanks and Roger’s sword technicians



So we are doing the classic “pure swordsman” argument
Bro you are mixing stuffs


Overall knowing to play guitar - art of swordsmanship

How versed you are in playing guitar - speed, movement.... sword skills

Within sword skill, there is another sub category

Playing one specific song on guitar - one special move.....sword techniques

Now, there are different ways of playing guitar... different schools - electric guitar and so on....and, one can play with one hand ...two hand...

That's style of swordsmanship.
 
Bingo to OP. Whether you have punch with a sword or have crazy swordsmanship has nothing to do with it. If Oda considers you a swordsman anywhere in the story, you are a swordsman, end of discussion. Everything else is headcanon

E.g. People confirmed swordsman in story: Shanks, Kaku, Fujitora, Brook

People who were never considered swordsman: Big Mum, King, Pica, Baby 5

People who are yet to be confirmed/debunked: Garling, Shamrock, Xebec, Shiki

Everybody in here is considered a swordsman btw
Law being a confirmed swordsman really fucks up the argument of "You have to only fight using a sword and not your hands/legs/any other type of weapon" :Rofl:
 
Bro you are mixing stuffs


Overall knowing to play guitar - art of swordsmanship

How versed you are in playing guitar - speed, movement.... sword skills

Within sword skill, there is another sub category

Playing one specific song on guitar - one special move.....sword techniques

Now, there are different ways of playing guitar... different schools - electric guitar and so on....and, one can play with one hand ...two hand...

That's style of swordsmanship.
Bro, I’m gonna be honest, I have no idea where this guitar metaphor is going

it’d be better if you just straight up give direct examples of what you’re saying in the manga.

I mean, I hope you are capable of correlating all this to the manga. If you can’t then it will be a bad sign that none of what you’re saying can be applied to the manga
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
Bro, I’m gonna be honest, I have no idea where this guitar metaphor is going

it’d be better if you just straight up give direct examples of what you’re saying in the manga.

I mean, I hope you are capable of correlating all this to the manga. If you can’t then it will be a bad sign that none of what you’re saying can be applied to the manga
Sure

Give me some time as I am not on pad right now.

Name a character you want me to correlate this.....
 
So Kiku and and Brook have seord TECHNIQUES with their epithets in them. They do not have seord styles.

unless you want to start arguing that actually Sword techniques are the same thing as sword styles… is that it?

If you want to say Sword techniques are the same as sword styles, then obviously we have to bring up Shanks and Roger’s sword technicians
I think Humming Brook and Lingering Snow Kiku is their Sword Style, what do you want me to say.. Kiku is the weakest Scabbard, her Sword Style isn't fully developed yet..
 
I think Humming Brook and Lingering Snow Kiku is their Sword Style, what do you want me to say.. Kiku is the weakest Scabbard, her Sword Style isn't fully developed yet..
Well unfortunately what you think doesn’t exist in the One piece manga

and I’m sure you have a problem with that, as you always do

Btw there is ONE TIME Brook mentioned having a something close to a sword style. It was when he was said “music is my swordsmanship/sword skill”…

but I guess you don’t like this since it involves the idea that Music is can somehow be considered swordsmanship and you disagree with this because you think Mihawk can’t do musical swordsmanship so clearly Brook is lying since Mihawk has to be able to the thing or else it’s not swordsmanship
 
Law being a confirmed swordsman really fucks up the argument of "You have to only fight using a sword and not your hands/legs/any other type of weapon" :Rofl:
Law technically fits what you said tho. He doesnt fight with anything other than his sword and DF, which Fujitora already does (meteors and gravity shit). Law being a swordsman was clear since Punk hazard when he lectured Tashigi on her being so weak

Knowing Oda tho he might do anything Mihawk-Shanks ambiguity shit with Zoro-Law where Law beats a top tier and never fights Zoro but Zoro is still crowned WSS
 
Name a character you want me to correlate this.....
Zoro is the guy who has done everything

and by this I mean THERE IS NOTHING any swordsman has done in this manga that Zoro either hasnt done or Oda hasnt commented on Zoro doing

Yes, even the idea of Zoro eating a DF power has been addressed by Oda. He thinks it would be cool if Zoro’s Sword at Kaido’s dragon fruit… So here we have the idea that Oda doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with both zoro USING a DF ability, or Zoro using animal summons (like Shamrock with his Griffith) as part of his swordsmanship

Zoro has done everything everyone else says both qualifies or disqualifies swordmen and swordsmanship… even the meme of Shanks pulling out a Haki susanoo to fight for him has already been covered by Zoro’s Ashura
 
Well unfortunately what you think doesn’t exist in the One piece manga

and I’m sure you have a problem with that, as you always do
It's speculation, you can't cancel my speculation.. Humming(music) can either refer to his Sword Skill or Sword Style..

Btw there is ONE TIME Brook mentioned having a something close to a sword style. It was when he was said “music is my swordsmanship/sword skill”…
Can you point me to which chapter?..
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
Zoro is the guy who has done everything

and by this I mean THERE IS NOTHING any swordsman has done in this manga that Zoro either hasnt done or Oda hasnt commented on Zoro doing

Yes, even the idea of Zoro eating a DF power has been addressed by Oda. He thinks it would be cool if Zoro’s Sword at Kaido’s dragon fruit… So here we have the idea that Oda doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with both zoro USING a DF ability, or Zoro using animal summons (like Shamrock with his Griffith) as part of his swordsmanship

Zoro has done everything everyone else says both qualifies or disqualifies swordmen and swordsmanship… even the meme of Shanks pulling out a Haki susanoo to fight for him has already been covered by Zoro’s Ashura
Overall art of playing guitar - Overall art of using swords (Swordsmanship)

Well versed in Guitar - speed, movement..--> Sword skills

Specific song one can play on guitar - Specific move one do with sword -----> Sword techniques

Ways or theme or approach in which one can play guitar (Rock, electric, jazz and so on) -----> ways one can play swordsmanship -----> Styles of swordsmanship



So, who are swordsmen?

  • One who uses swordsmanship as primary fighting style during combat. Even if he has df and haki, then they are being used to enhance swordsmanship.
  • And, as it's primary fighting style for them then they will have sword skills and techniques.
  • They are the ones who follow path of swords.

Who aren't swordsmen?

  • Those who don't know swordsmanship at all - Luffy, Sanji
  • Those who know swordsmanship but it's not their primary fighting style during combat.
  • They rely more on df abilities or other abilities which are being used independently of swordsmanship during combat...Their df abilities become their primary fighting style. ....king, Big Mom



Zoro

  • Swordsmanship ----> know the art of using swords in combat.
  • Style -----> 3 Sword style (Santoryu)
  • Skills -----> speed, strength, ability to cut steel and so on
  • Techniques -----> Sanzen Sekai, Oni giri and so on.
  • His haki is used to enhanced his swordsmanship which is his primary fighting style


Brook
  • Swordsmanship ---> know how the art to use swords in combat
  • Style ----> Fencing or rapier type
  • Skills ---->Fast and precise strikes
  • Technique ----> Three Verse Humming - Arrow Notch Slash and so on.
  • Primary fighting style during combat -----> swordsman ship complemented by df.
  • Even though Brook can use df abilities independently of his swords, but his primary fighting style during combat is swordsmanship and his df abilities then are used to enhance his swordsman ship - Example " Cold Soul - Blizzard slash

So, he's a swordman


Law - a swordsman

  • Swordsmanship ----> know the art of using sword in combat
  • Skills -----> precise cut within his room
  • Technique -----> Gamma knife, K-room and so on
  • Style -----> Surgical
  • Primary fighting style during combat ----> swordsmanship with haki and df complementing it
  • Just like Brook, law can use his df abilities independently, but during combat - swordsman ship is his primary fighting style, and df abilities and haki are used to enhance to make swordsman ship more effective.
Same thing can be said for Fuji - Gravity blade, Meteor, observations haki to sense and cut.

Thus, fuji is a swordsman as well.


Shanks

  • Swordsmanship ----> we have seen him using sword in combat. He knows the art of swordsmanship
  • Skill -----> speed
  • Technique ----> Kamusari
  • Style -----> Don't know much about this.
  • Primary fighting style during combat -----> whatever we saw from shanks, we have seen him using swordsman ship as primary fighting style during combat ( clash with WB, Akainu, against kidd).
  • Just like Zoro, Haki is used to enhance his swordsman ship which is shown to be his primary fighting style.
So, he's a swordsman.


On king,

He knows swordsman ship and skills.

But he doesn't use it as his primary fighting style during combat. He relies more on DF and lunarian abilities as his primary fighting style. He also lacks sword techniques.

So, he's not a swordsman
 
This is a simple manga.
Yes it is. "I can't lose to anyone who considers themselves a swordsman," is as simple as it gets. Specially when the swordsman in question is using a lot of non-swordsmanship.

Shanks and Mihawk being practically equal is also very simple portrayal to anyone without agenda

But hey

Also what you're trying to argue is weird af to begin with. Shanks will be significantly weaker than Luffy's last enemies. So will Roger.
 
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The definition of what swordsmanship is not defined by what a single character considers as swordsman


You realize of lot of characters who are argued about daily never have to explicitly call themselves swordsmen . This argument almost entirely excludes most swordsmen in the story.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
The definition of what swordsmanship is not defined by what a single character considers as swordsman


You realize of lot of characters who are argued about daily never have to explicitly call themselves swordsmen . This argument almost entirely excludes most swordsmen in the story.
Yep.
Koshiro and his dad have opposite philosophies
Whose to even say mihawk is right.
 
Yes it is. "I can't lose to anyone who considers themselves a swordsman," is as simple as it gets. Specially when the swordsman in question is using a lot of non-swordsmanship.

Shanks and Mihawk being practically equal is also very simple portrayal to anyone without agenda

But hey

Also what you're trying to argue is weird af to begin with. Shanks will be significantly weaker than Luffy's last enemies. So will Roger.
Using swordsmanship and calling himself swordsman are 2 different things also, Alber never called himself swordsman. Zolo said that.
 
Using swordsmanship and calling himself swordsman
Yes. A character who uses swordsmanship can still not be a swordsman as far as Zoro is concerned (the guy with WSS dream).

Likewise, a character who uses a lot of other things in fight alongside swordsmanship can still be a swordsman as far as Zoro is concerned (the guy with WSS dream).

And if he's to be WSS, then he must defeat anyone who considers themselves a swordsman no matter what. Again, according to Zoro, the guy with that dream.

In any case, if you're banking on Shanks or Roger being anywhere close to EoS main villain, then you're in for bankruptcy lol
 
Yeah, He indeed said He won't Lose to anyone who calls himself a Swordsman, but did He say "It's Fine if i Lose to Others"?
After He lost to Mihawk, what did He Promise?

Also, why take One Statement & ignore the Rest as if Zoro's Dream cannot be Expanded on,
It's like saying Pirate King means finding One Piece, it doesn't mean finding Four Road Poneglyphs & finding Laugh Tale & getting a Crew needed for the Job ... etc

It's obvious that if No One considers you a Swordsman then you aren't in Conversation for WSS, but an Achievement isn't Defined by who Participated in it (For example, who is Sanji competing against to Find All Blue? or other SHs & their Dreams? No One, but it doesn't change the Fact that No One in the World can achieve them, regardless if They tried or not, except SHs)

WSS is Defined by it's Requirements, that's what lets People know if it's a Dream worthy of being among SHs Impossible Dreams or just something that many can achieve,

Do you want me to tell you what Requirements Zoro discovered?
Since you mentioned his First Ever Fight against Cabaji, why don't We look at his Future Fights,

Zoro would have Lost against Hatchan if his Sword was Lacking,
Zoro would have Lost against Daz if his Lethality was Lacking,
Zoro would have Lost against Ohm if his AP/Strength was Lacking,
Zoro would have Lost against Kaku if his Technique was Lacking,
Zoro would have Lost against Ryuma if his Attack Speed was Lacking,
Zoro would have Lost against Hyouzou if his CoO was Lacking,
Zoro would have Lost against Pica if his CoA was Lacking,
Zoro would have Lost against King if his CoC was Lacking,

Do you see now what are the Requirements for Zoro to achieve his Dream & Live true to his Words?
It doesn't matter who calls himself Swordsman or not, what matters is that Zoro cannot achieve his Goal if He doesn't Perfect those,
So anyone who relies on a Sword, are Lethal with it, rely on their Power/Strength & Speed, have Techniques They Mastered, can use any Type of Haki are Automatically Zoro/Mihawk Victims, regardless if They wanna call themselves Swordsman or Wifi-Men,

As for King, Zoro was annoyed cuz King tried to Win without relying on any of those, (Trap Weapon, Trying to Push him Off Island)
Dirty Tactics are not within WSS Path, that's why Zoro said that,

Even Cabaji himself, He was relying on Dirty Tactics (Including getting Help from Buggy), but once none of his Moves work, what did this so-called Swordsman say? He said He is gonna Win using his Swordsmanship, so Cabaji is Separating Dirty Fighting from Real Swordsmanship & even though He relies on it, He still is a Swordsman, which same applies to King, and also Ohm who was relying on his Iron Trial, and also Hatchan who also can Fight without Swords (Literally his Last Technique before Losing was without Swords) ... etc
Meaning neither Shanks nor BM or Roger are swordsmen if they doesn't consider themselves one
 
Title is worlds strongest swordsman
Keep lying like you lied about ZKK and apprentice Shanks being fodder :vistalaugh:

Your ZKK mind can tell you its different but proper English language say its WGS. And its a tiny insignificant title compared to WSM, PK, or even Emperor title.

Oda confirmed WGS hide behind Emperor title.



Yes. A character who uses swordsmanship can still not be a swordsman as far as Zoro is concerned (the guy with WSS dream).

Likewise, a character who uses a lot of other things in fight alongside swordsmanship can still be a swordsman as far as Zoro is concerned (the guy with WSS dream).

And if he's to be WSS, then he must defeat anyone who considers themselves a swordsman no matter what. Again, according to Zoro, the guy with that dream.

In any case, if you're banking on Shanks or Roger being anywhere close to EoS main villain, then you're in for bankruptcy lol
Speak proper English, don't use ZKK terminology. Its called WGS and its a tiny title compared to other titles.

Luffy belittled Zolo's title when he first time he heard;

''If PK's crewmate can't even be WGS, I would be disappointed'' :vistalaugh:

 
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