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Who’s the biggest fraud here ?


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I don't know, I feel like Oda wants to redeem the Vinsmokes and Judge really loved Sora but his obsession with strength transformed him into a bad father.
Judge values nobility and strength. There is little to no evidence he loved Sora, and even less he would've put marrying her before his own ambitions.

He would've only married her if doing so helped those ambitions along.

There's not much redemption to be had for him, not even in death.

The siblings will be redeemed. I think all of them will be part of Sanji's future floating restaurant. I essentially expect Sanji to end up a hybrid of Whitebeard and Big Mom - a massive family of all shapes and sizes, and a bunch of kids that are all his.

I think sora was evil and the vinsmokes wanted to unified the world so they started in the north but sora and imu defeated them by using their emotions against them that’s why judge wanted his sons emotionless
The Vinsmokes being good guys all along has no narrative value. Quite the opposite.

I think it's more likely the Sora of 300 years ago was in fact a heroic Marine figure and ancestors to Vinsmoke Sora.

I'd like to believe he was recognised for his exploits and made into an immortal Holy Knight yet to be revealed, and that Sora was the child of a concubine and therefore not a real CD, but nevertheless an appropriate reward for Judge for services rendered.
 
I think sora was evil and the vinsmokes wanted to unified the world so they started in the north but sora and imu defeated them by using their emotions against them that’s why judge wanted his sons emotionless
Really dark. But I find it too much against what Oda build for Sanji's back story. If even his mom was evil well his only good big female figure in his life would be his sister. I think this is too much sincerely.
 
If Imu had to defeat the Vinsmokes once, there wouldn't be any Vinsmokes left 300 years later.

Certainly not ones recognised as a royal family and among the 50 out of 170 nations associated with the World Government.

The Vinsmokes were historically bad people. Judge wasn't some anomaly.

Oda should keep it that way.
 
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Lol he has Connection to Cesar and queen
I would love for Sanji to kick the hell out of his brothers and father, trust me. But I feel Oda is going to another route. He already gave Caesar an "ally" role, I don't think I will be surprised if he turn Queen to the "good" side as well. Same thing could be done with Judge.

From what I've seen I think this is the decision Oda will make, like giving to Judge redeemable qualities.
 
Really dark. But I find it too much against what Oda build for Sanji's back story. If even his mom was evil well his only good big female figure in his life would be his sister. I think this is too much sincerely.
lol I’m not talking about his mom I’m talking about sora the warrior of the sea
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If Imu had to defeat the Vinsmokes once, there wouldn't be any Vinsmokes left 300 years later.

Certainly not ones recognised as a royal family and among the 50 out of 170 nations associated with the World Government.

The Vinsmokes were historically bad people. Judge wasn't some anomaly.

Oda should keep it that way.
Think a about it where’s their home land I think Imu destroyed it like lulusia
 
I think sora was evil and the vinsmokes wanted to unified the world so they started in the north but sora and imu defeated them by using their emotions against them that’s why judge wanted his sons emotionless
Imo oda has been rhyming Luffys past with Sanjis the whole time:
Abandoned by their fathers who are military leaders feared the world over
Adopted by a pirate who sacrificed a limb for them
Dream of finding a treasure they were laughed at for believing that holds all the world/sea has to offer

So I feel Nika is going to be a rhyme with Sora. Just like Joyboy fought a king that conquered the world to liberate it, Sora fought a man who conquered a quarter of it. I’m sure Sora was a good man in the distant past who hated germa
 
Imo oda has been rhyming Luffys past with Sanjis the whole time:
Abandoned by their fathers who are military leaders feared the world over
Adopted by a pirate who sacrificed a limb for them
Dream of finding a treasure they were laughed at for believing that holds all the world/sea has to offer

So I feel Nika is going to be a rhyme with Sora. Just like Joyboy fought a king that conquered the world to liberate it, Sora fought a man who conquered a quarter of it. I’m sure Sora was a good man in the distant past who hated germa
But who told us the story the world government

 
But who told us the story the world government

True but the WG revises history to make the navy the hero time and time again. Alabasta is a good example where the WG changed the story in order to make sure the world knows a certain version of it.

It really wouldn’t be a shock if Soras name was used as naval propaganda as a way of erasing Soras existence from history. Even germa was turned into a myth because of this comic strip afterall.
 
True but the WG revises history to make the navy the hero time and time again. Alabasta is a good example where the WG changed the story in order to make sure the world knows a certain version of it.

It really wouldn’t be a shock if Soras name was used as naval propaganda as a way of erasing Soras existence from history. Even germa was turned into a myth because of this comic strip afterall.

and big mom say that your science judge will help her to

A peaceful place = one piece = all blue and vigapunk said that his dream is an endless energy and sanji fire is not fully explained yet it’s all coming together :finally:
 
Imo oda has been rhyming Luffys past with Sanjis the whole time:
Abandoned by their fathers who are military leaders feared the world over
Adopted by a pirate who sacrificed a limb for them
Dream of finding a treasure they were laughed at for believing that holds all the world/sea has to offer

So I feel Nika is going to be a rhyme with Sora. Just like Joyboy fought a king that conquered the world to liberate it, Sora fought a man who conquered a quarter of it. I’m sure Sora was a good man in the distant past who hated germa
With how Oda like to do parallels I'm not surprised if Sanji's Joyboy parallel equivalent is Sora the warrior of sea. Even though we don't know if Sora really existed or not, if the story was twisted enough to completely change his character (really high chances).
 
Sanji is a hint character, a prism through which to observe and understand others that are very similar to him.

Luffy, Ace and Loki are the obvious ones.

Yamato and Shanks also share significant, meaningful similarities.

None of this is by accident.
 
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