Character Discussion Kuzan, the conqueror.

[Dragon777]

And yet they are more confirmed user of it than admirals

Well, yeah.

I think he reason Is Oda waiting for Akainu to be confirmed before any other, but that is only how I explain It.
It's vey annoying and tbh I think this should have been settled ages ago anyway.

 

[Cruxroux]

Well, yeah.

I think he reason Is Oda waiting for Akainu to be confirmed before any other, but that is only how I explain It.
It's vey annoying and tbh I think this should have been settled ages ago anyway.

Then why not wait for Gorosei and Imu. They seem like bigger and end game villain.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Did any C3 kill any innocent women?

Akainu literally in his first appearance, what's your point? Sengoku was a bigger government dog than any admiral and he has it.

Let alone that: the goroslaves (real slaves this time, since most of them don't even have a real oroginal thought) have It

meh

Saturn directly went against Imu for the sake of science, and Warcury brought up Lulusia citizens

 

[Cruxroux]

Akainu literally in his first appearance, what's your point? Sengoku was a bigger government dog than any admiral and he has it.

Sengoku also fought against a Generation of monsters lol.
Regular or weekly battles atleast.
Only recorded fight for Admirals against yonkou is Marineford.

 

[Yere93]

No

 

[Dragon777]

Then why not wait for Gorosei and Imu. They seem like bigger and end game villain.

My explanation was that when a Gorosei had to fall (and so show all he had), he went for all of them.

If we had an Admiral on screen going 100%, which again Kizaru wasn't because Oda went for the mental nerf (and even betrayal) for the third time in a row, we should have seen It too

But this again Is only how I explain this thing.

Akainu literally in his first appearance, what's your point? Sengoku was a bigger government dog than any admiral and he has it.

meh

Saturn directly went against Imu for the sake of science, and Warcury brought up Lulusia citizens

I don't remember those order coming for Imu tbh.

 

[Cruxroux]

My explanation was that when a Gorosei had to fall (and so show all he had), he went for all of them.

If we had an Admiral on screen going 100%, which again Kizaru wasn't because Oda went for the mental nerf (and even betrayal) for the third time in a row, we should have seen It too

But this again Is only how I explain this thing.

How about a middle ground of not using Conqueror as a fact let alone Conqueror Coating. Till it's confirmed In battledome?

 

[Paragorn]

Kuzan surely is an ACoC user. He's fight with Garp just comproved this.(Akainu upscale)

Cruxroux is just fighting for his life

 

[MUUGEN]

Let’s start by saying that Kuzan has clearly been a Conqueror’s Haki user from the beginning, since Chinjao recognizes Teach as someone with the potential to become the Pirate King. And what’s Chinjao’s idea of the Pirate King? For him, the Pirate King is the man who can dominate the other conquerors—and there are a lot of them in the One Piece world. The Pirate King stands above all other conquerors, as the ultimate, final, and strongest conqueror of them all.

For this idea to hold, Teach must have at least one Conqueror’s Haki user in his crew—if not more than one. And I believe Kuzan could very well be one of them. First of all, we have to distinguish between the usual Kuzan—lazy and seemingly unmotivated—and the one we see fighting Garp, who is clearly holding back, since he’s not fighting in line with his true convictions.

That Kuzan is completely different from the one who fought Akainu. In his battle with the other admiral, we see Kuzan fully unleash his willpower and fight at 100% of both his strength and ambition. That version of Kuzan is the one at the peak of his power and Haki.

Beyond that, Kuzan stood against Akainu based on his own sense of justice and refused to submit to his command. Similarly, with Teach, we can see that Kuzan doesn’t blindly follow orders. On the contrary, they’re allies with a common goal—not a master-servant dynamic. In fact, Oda himself confirms in an SBS that Kuzan is not someone who would follow all of Teach’s orders.

That’s a Conqueror’s mindset—just like Whitebeard said: some people, like Oden, simply cannot be subordinate to anyone, no matter the hierarchy or chain of command within a crew.

That said, Kuzan literally has the same physical strength Garp had at his peak. This is confirmed by Marine officer Brennew, who emphasizes that the strength of these two legendary Marines—both considered equally legendary—doesn’t come from natural talent, but from a specific type of training they both underwent. Not coincidentally, the author places emphasis on the sound effects to show Kuzan’s growth, ultimately reaching Garp’s level of physical power.

As for why Kuzan doesn’t seem as strong in his battle against Garp, that’s been hinted at multiple times. He’s holding back because he cares about his former mentor. Maybe even subconsciously, but still—he has emotional restraints. He’s not fully convinced about the path he’s on, especially now that it puts him in direct conflict with Garp.

In fact, during that confrontation, Kuzan actually does Garp another favor. We see in the flashback that Kuzan is present when Garp shares his ideology—an ideology about pushing the next generation forward. It’s no coincidence that Avalo Pizarro points out how Kuzan could’ve used Ice Age to freeze the ocean around Acino and stop Coby, but chooses not to. I believe he lets Coby go on purpose, capturing Garp instead—ironically, as a way of helping Garp.

Even though it hurts him, and he knows he can’t let both of them go, Kuzan decides to let Coby escape, knowing that in doing so, he is respecting Garp’s will—despite also betraying him, to some extent, by capturing him.

But that betrayal is necessary in order to free Coby without fully upsetting Teach, with whom he has an agreement. And we also see how Teach deeply respects Kuzan. He even mentions that his own crewmates were wrong to think they could challenge Kuzan—meanwhile, someone like Rocks repeatedly disrespected Whitebeard.
I’ll conclude by saying that Warcury—the same character who, along with his colleagues, had no problem at all giving up the Seven Warlords as a military force—emphasizes Kuzan’s tremendous strength, hyping him up and showing deep concern over the fact that someone so powerful is assisting Teach. It’s no coincidence that Oda chooses to present Kuzan in a double spread for One Piece.

Kuzan will also serve as a benchmark for Coby, the character destined to become the new Garp and the strongest Marine in history (just as Garp once hoped Luffy would become). So it makes sense that Kuzan is the main obstacle for a character like Coby, who will also wield insane Haki. Coby, also present in the spread, is in direct opposition to Luffy and even declares his intent to stop him from achieving his dream.

It’s a much more serious matter than many realize—though I know a lot of people are still sleeping on Coby. Kuzan is this generation’s Garp, just as Shanks is. Shanks is on Roger’s and Rocks’ level—maybe slightly below—but strong enough that whoever defeats him will surpass Rocks.

In the same way, while I believe Kuzan might be slightly below Garp in his prime overall—mainly due to Haki (since their physical strength is equal)—defeating Kuzan will allow Coby to surpass his own mentor. A classic trope in shonen: the current favorite disciple of Garp will defeat his former prized student, surpassing even his own teacher.

A dynamic similar to Naruto – Pain (Nagato) – Jiraiya.

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@Elder Lee Hung @ZenZu idk tag some admiral fans for me.

not a single admiral has CoC.

 

[Killer#777]

The are literally more instances of Admirals not following orders than there are of they doing it lol. Last arc and Admiral betrayed the WG to lol.

no he quit after he lost his duel to akainu. If you are referring to aokiji.

Sengoku killed innocent women for the world government and he has it

no that was akainu who was killing innocents when he destroyed one of the evacuation ships from Ohara. Only the scholars were to be executed from digging up ancient knowledge.

 

[Cruxroux]

Kuzan surely is an ACoC user. He's fight with Garp just comproved this.(Akainu upscale)

Cruxroux is just fighting for his life

Says the one who considers his own headcanon as facts

 

[Killer#777]

Not to mention, it was even explicitly said Kuzan doesn't follow BB's orders when he doesn't feel like it.

bruh he prevented the marines from escaping and captured garp in the process. Not all of blackbeard's crew follow him out of deep loyalty you act like aokiji is a special case.

 

[Cruxroux]

bruh he prevented the marines from escaping and captured garp in the process. Not all of blackbeard's crew follow him out of deep loyalty you act like aokiji is a special case.

Yea only the pre time skip one is kinda loyal.
Rest are ready overthrow BB , they ain't loyal.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Oda had enough chances to confirm it for Kizaru and Kuzan.

Gorosei, garp , gaban immediately gets confirmed as coc users for example.

At this point they are not getting it. They can get awakenings though.

 

[sanjikun]

Oda had enough chances to confirm it for Kizaru and Kuzan.

Gorosei, garp , gaban immediately gets confirmed as coc users for example.

At this point they are not getting it. They can get awakenings though.

Off topic, but you got your avy from ChatGPT right? That crappy sword clash pose was what I got when I asked for a clash drawing.

I'm paying 30 bucks a month for this shit and can't even get a proper avy

 

[MonsterKaido]

Off topic, but you got your avy from ChatGPT right? That crappy sword clash pose was what I got when I asked for a clash drawing.

I'm paying 30 bucks a month for this shit and can't even get a proper avy

Yes

You would need to upload images of characters and then ask for a fight. Directly saying to draw them makes it less accurate.

 

[Dragon777]

How about a middle ground of not using Conqueror as a fact let alone Conqueror Coating. Till it's confirmed In battledome?

Well, it's not like I say they have it as a fact: I say I believe the have. In the same way I believe Mihawk or Benn or Loki has it.

bruh he prevented the marines from escaping and captured garp in the process. Not all of blackbeard's crew follow him out of deep loyalty you act like aokiji is a special case.

Because he wanted to, even though he was conflicted about it.

Also, what I am saying is that we have on paper Aokiji not following BB's order. Admirals are all more akin to Rocks in their dynamic with FA/Captians than almost any other crew. Even crew with conquerors inside.

 

[Cruxroux]

Well, it's not like I say they have it as a fact: I say I believe the have. In the same way I believe Mihawk or Benn or Loki has it.

Except Mihawk has Battle evidence against Shanks who's a Pure Haki user.
Same goes he is not a DF user , And Haki is the only Power route.
Loki is suspicious , But Precious Chapter Proved it already when gaban was talking about it.

 

[gz89]

It's not rocket science, it's a cartoon for kids.

- The moment it was revealed that Ray has coc it was confirmed that Zoro will get it at some point.
- Zoro has it, Mihawk will have it too.
- Garp and Sengoku have it, Akainu will have it, and probably Kuzan too.
- Gaban has it, Sanji will have it too.

 

[Cruxroux]

- The moment it was revealed that Ray has coc it was confirmed that Zoro will get it at some point.

Non believed that shit and it was copium.

Zoro has it, Mihawk will have it too.

again nothing to do with Zoro. , Shanks was fighting Mihawk already.


People doubted it even after vivre card came out because it was confirmed.

There's was no rayleigh parallel which said zoro will get CoC too. They have different fighting style.. zoro is more towards Cutting it and Rayleigh proceeds with No touch and all kind of haki application...


Except for being the first mate , they have nothing in common. Maybe drinking.

Garp and Sengoku have it, Akainu will have it, and probably Kuzan too.

Garp was already Speculated and Accepted in the community unlike Mihawk , Zoro and Kuzan.

- Gaban has it, Sanji will have it too.

Not even the same Fighting style 😮‍💨😮‍💨