Powers & Abilities Sanji shouldn’t get ACoC ( I say this as a Sanji fan)

Dark Knight Sanji

Dark Knight Sanji

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Due to Lolda’s abysmal pacing, it seems we won’t get any payoff/answer to the whole Sanji CoC conundrum until after next year. But I want to make something very clear, I as a Sanji fan DO NOT want him to have CoC/ACoC.

Now, this is not because I don’t think he doesn’t have indomitable will ( based on his manic adherence to his chivalric code and refusal to break it) but because it shouldn’t have become so common and is a cheap narrative device.

Lolda instead of taking the easy way out and just giving everyone who is relevant CoC, should have put more effort into developing unique power systems. Now I’ll preface this by saying that if Oda gives Sanji CoC then it’s just lazy and uninspired - if he does (based on his recent track record to pull stuff out of his arse, is highly likely). Instead the power of love should be fleshed out, which will only make Sanji that much more special. This power would match who he is as a character. Sanji is different in that whilst he is a powerhouse, he isn’t actively trying to become a conqueror or dominate anyone. He’s like WB in a way, someone who wants to protect (stupidly WB was given CoC too)I think Ad.CoC is the single stupidest power introduced into this series and how it’s become a blanket to fight against esoteric abilities is so uninspiring.
 
Kiri

Kiri

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If everyone has CoC I mean I guess Oda can justify it with what Ray said of most people being world renowned having it. But If Sanji didn't have it and went his cyborg route with hotter flames it could be nuanced at-least I guess.

But then lets look at sabo for example, oh I guess sanji's flames are blue and powered by "love" where Sabo's aren't so that differentiates him enough. This power of love and Asura shit is solely for differentiation too, concepts that aren't tangible to explain strength. So even then it's really whatever, sanjis power of love might as well be his CoC at this point.

The thing about power is, it's more about it's presence than it's actual strength, and what determines it's presence is it's capability to force other powers to acknowledge it, whether those powers are stronger than it or not.

Kaku was forced to acknowledge the manifestation of zoros will in asura for example.

In the case of the power of love, that's just something that is universal and so sanji can easily reach PK levels of power because the type of power he utilises is acknowledged by the entire world.
 
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Desolate Smaug

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Oda should give Sanji CoC as a symbolic power. He needs to have it to tick a box but I don't really think he should build his style around it.

It's crazy how now everyone fights the same because of AdCoC. Oden, Shanks, Zoro, Roger, Rocks Old Wings of Roger are all just spamming lighting streaks.

Luffy and Garp style is refreshing. I wonder if Oda can come up with a similar style for Sanji.
 
Dark Knight Sanji

Dark Knight Sanji

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MonsterKaido said:
After waban getting it , sanji will also get it at some point.
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Seeing as Gaban was one of my favourite characters before he was introduced officially, I had so many thoughts regarding his powers. Some were based on him being cursed by a tree spirit due to cutting down an ancient tree; some were based on him being a user of the mythical werewolf DF; some were based on him having a hakuba-like alter ego which is activated by removing his glasses. Lol-da just gave him generic strong man powers, which I found insulting to such a great and hyped character. I don’t want Sanji to go the same route. I want him to be unique, to be written well when it comes to powers.
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Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier said:
Go ahead and tell me how he'll keep being an extreme diff for Zoro without ACoC
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Easy!

Have him undergo a secondary / advanced modification whereby the repeated trauma to his body will cause his exoskeleton to molt (like real world anthropods/insects). During this time he will be weakened and it would have been great writing to show Sanji struggling to deal with opponents due to his vulnerability forcing Sanji to develop his armament haki more. Then he should have had a fight where he is pushed to the brink, to then did out that the repeated infusion of haki to his body has accelerated the formation of his new exoskeleton, which has the added effect of augmenting his mods and also turning his hair black as a symbol that his mods have fully developed. An easy but well thought out way to make Sanji stronger rather than just ACoC, which just improves damage out put and has no bearing on speed, dexterity, iq etc.


You could have even had him developing ranged attacks, where his heat is so hot he causes air to collapse in on itself creating a superheated ball of pressure which he can then unleash as a pressurised ranged attack. He can literally spam ranged attacks from the air.

increase the flames to be so hot that they disappear allowing him to unleash invisible ranged attacks.
 
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grey matter

grey matter

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I agree.

Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier said:
I mean there's not many other ways for him to remain close to Zoro in power in the future lol
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Why not?
Admirals don't need conqueror's haki to be close in power to Yonko. Some of them even stronger than weaker Yonkos like BM and Luffy.

Advanced conqueror's haki isn't the only way to reach top tier. A strong DF can make you reach there as well. Marienford WB couldn't even use basic conqueror's haki due to his health, and still was a top tier due to his DF making up for the nerf.

By the EoS, Sanji can effectively have something looking like a mythical zoan DF - black flames (?) to give him top tier attack power, and more enhanced exoskeleton/body to give him top tier defence.

Oda can always make Sanji a top tier, very believably, without giving him conqueror's haki.
 
BattalGazi

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Dark Knight Sanji said:
Due to Lolda’s abysmal pacing, it seems we won’t get any payoff/answer to the whole Sanji CoC conundrum until after next year. But I want to make something very clear, I as a Sanji fan DO NOT want him to have CoC/ACoC.

Now, this is not because I don’t think he doesn’t have indomitable will ( based on his manic adherence to his chivalric code and refusal to break it) but because it shouldn’t have become so common and is a cheap narrative device.

Lolda instead of taking the easy way out and just giving everyone who is relevant CoC, should have put more effort into developing unique power systems. Now I’ll preface this by saying that if Oda gives Sanji CoC then it’s just lazy and uninspired - if he does (based on his recent track record to pull stuff out of his arse, is highly likely). Instead the power of love should be fleshed out, which will only make Sanji that much more special. This power would match who he is as a character. Sanji is different in that whilst he is a powerhouse, he isn’t actively trying to become a conqueror or dominate anyone. He’s like WB in a way, someone who wants to protect (stupidly WB was given CoC too)I think Ad.CoC is the single stupidest power introduced into this series and how it’s become a blanket to fight against esoteric abilities is so uninspiring.
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There is lots of fake Sanji fans but i guess Sanji fandom has the most sellouts out there, if you don't like the character just be a Zoro fan or something. :whitepress:
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Desolate Smaug said:
Oda should give Sanji CoC as a symbolic power. He needs to have it to tick a box but I don't really think he should build his style around it.

It's crazy how now everyone fights the same because of AdCoC. Oden, Shanks, Zoro, Roger, Rocks Old Wings of Roger are all just spamming lighting streaks.

Luffy and Garp style is refreshing. I wonder if Oda can come up with a similar style for Sanji.
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Oda doesn't even like to draw fights so don't expect anymore power system, one size fits in all is the way to go. :goyea:
 
Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

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grey matter said:
I agree.



Why not?
Admirals don't need conqueror's haki to be close in power to Yonko. Some of them even stronger than weaker Yonkos like BM and Luffy.

Advanced conqueror's haki isn't the only way to reach top tier. A strong DF can make you reach there as well. Marienford WB couldn't even use basic conqueror's haki due to his health, and still was a top tier due to his DF making up for the nerf.

By the EoS, Sanji can effectively have something looking like a mythical zoan DF - black flames (?) to give him top tier attack power, and more enhanced exoskeleton/body to give him top tier defence.

Oda can always make Sanji a top tier, very believably, without giving him conqueror's haki.
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Okay, sure, but Sanji doesn't have a fruit like the Admirals or Whitebeard. He has qualities similar to a Lunarian, sure, but if you asked someone whether they'd want Sanji's powers or the Pika Pika, they'd likely ask for the latter.
At the end of the day, Sanji will be tremendously strong EoS no matter what, but if he wants to match Zoro who'll be even stronger than Mihawk then he's going to need a lot of good powerups, and ACoC is obviously going to be one of those.
No reason for his parallel Gaban to have it as well as for Zoro his near equal to have it yet he doesn't have it himself.
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Dark Knight Sanji said:
Seeing as Gaban was one of my favourite characters before he was introduced officially, I had so many thoughts regarding his powers. Some were based on him being cursed by a tree spirit due to cutting down an ancient tree; some were based on him being a user of the mythical werewolf DF; some were based on him having a hakuba-like alter ego which is activated by removing his glasses. Lol-da just gave him generic strong man powers, which I found insulting to such a great and hyped character. I don’t want Sanji to go the same route. I want him to be unique, to be written well when it comes to powers.
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Easy!

Have him undergo a secondary / advanced modification whereby the repeated trauma to his body will cause his exoskeleton to molt (like real world anthropods/insects). During this time he will be weakened and it would have been great writing to show Sanji struggling to deal with opponents due to his vulnerability forcing Sanji to develop his armament haki more. Then he should have had a fight where he is pushed to the brink, to then did out that the repeated infusion of haki to his body has accelerated the formation of his new exoskeleton, which has the added effect of augmenting his mods and also turning his hair black as a symbol that his mods have fully developed. An easy but well thought out way to make Sanji stronger rather than just ACoC, which just improves damage out put and has no bearing on speed, dexterity, iq etc.


You could have even had him developing ranged attacks, where his heat is so hot he causes air to collapse in on itself creating a superheated ball of pressure which he can then unleash as a pressurised ranged attack. He can literally spam ranged attacks from the air.

increase the flames to be so hot that they disappear allowing him to unleash invisible ranged attacks.
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Again, amazing in theory, and it surely will make him a top tier EoS, but will he still he able to reasonably push Zoro to an extreme diff?
Think of what Zoro will do EoS. He'll make at least one black blade which is stronger than Yoru and he himself will be stronger than Mihawk. He's also going to have all three types of Advanced Haki and three incredibly sturdy swords.
Sanji needs all the help he can get to match a man of that stature. ACoC is one of the things that can help him get to that level.
 
Dark Knight Sanji

Dark Knight Sanji

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Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier said:
Okay, sure, but Sanji doesn't have a fruit like the Admirals or Whitebeard. He has qualities similar to a Lunarian, sure, but if you asked someone whether they'd want Sanji's powers or the Pika Pika, they'd likely ask for the latter.
At the end of the day, Sanji will be tremendously strong EoS no matter what, but if he wants to match Zoro who'll be even stronger than Mihawk then he's going to need a lot of good powerups, and ACoC is obviously going to be one of those.
No reason for his parallel Gaban to have it as well as for Zoro his near equal to have it yet he doesn't have it himself.
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Again, amazing in theory, and it surely will make him a top tier EoS, but will he still he able to reasonably push Zoro to an extreme diff?
Think of what Zoro will do EoS. He'll make at least one black blade which is stronger than Yoru and he himself will be stronger than Mihawk. He's also going to have all three types of Advanced Haki and three incredibly sturdy swords.
Sanji needs all the help he can get to match a man of that stature. ACoC is one of the things that can help him get to that level.
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People overrate Zoro’s eos level, his goal is Mihawk who my his showings is living of his title. Nothing suggests he would be any more or less difficult than Shanks (everything actually says the opposite). Black blades are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, given Roger and Xebec guys who absolutely crap on Mihawk having none. Ryuma’s probably at best on Roger’s level , forget about Joyboy though.
eos Zoro will be at best high Yonko / PK level fighter, Sanji should be straddling the Fleet Admiral/ Yonkou line, being above the admirals. Nothing suggests one is telling me that Roger would be able to low or mid diff a fleet admiral.
 
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