Future Events Prediction: Admiral Jiaga Valiantly Sacrificed Himself To Save The Reverie Kings (Karasu Vs Fujitora 2.0)

[Owl Ki]

You’re missing the point. This isn’t about polishing for months vs cranking out weekly pages, it’s about fundamentals of drawing. A naturally talented artist doesn’t need months to understand trajectory, depth, and spatial clarity. Even in rough sketches or scribbles, the forms still read properly. Hara’s problem isn’t effort, it’s that his work consistently flattens out. That’s a flaw in how he constructs scenes.

Aye, it isn't about polishing for months vs weekly output because I'm comparing weekly output to weekly output because that is the context of the industry those two work in.

Weekly Togashi produces scribbles, weekly Hara produces misaligned raindrops.

"Ooohhhhhh!!! Those scribbles have such depth and trajectory!!!"

A really nice scribble is still a feckin scribble.

 

[ZenZu]

Aye, it isn't about polishing for months vs weekly output because I'm comparing weekly output to weekly output because that is the context of the industry those two work in.

Weekly Togashi produces scribbles, weekly Hara produces misaligned raindrops.

"Ooohhhhhh!!! Those scribbles have such depth and trajectory!!!"

A really nice scribble is still a feckin scribble.

Even in quick gesture drawings, skilled artists nail perspective and flow. That’s why pros can doodle something in seconds and it still reads. When Hara’s panels look like flat collages no matter how detailed, that’s a telltale sign the fundamentals aren’t there.

It’s like a chef who burns rice. You don’t need a 5 star kitchen or months of prep to get that right, it’s a basic skill. When Hara botches depth and perspective, it’s the same kind of giveaway for an artist as burning rice is for a chef. Fundamentals don’t require time, they’re either there or they’re not.

You can like Hara's art, that's fine. Objectively there are clear giveaways of Hara not being a great artist, atleast not at the lvl of individuals he is being compared to.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Even in quick gesture drawings, skilled artists nail perspective and flow. That’s why pros can doodle something in seconds and it still reads. When Hara’s panels look like flat collages no matter how detailed, that’s a telltale sign the fundamentals aren’t there.

It’s like a chef who burns rice. You don’t need a 5 star kitchen or months of prep to get that right, it’s a basic skill. When Hara botches depth and perspective, it’s the same kind of giveaway for an artist as burning rice is for a chef. Fundamentals don’t require time, they’re either there or they’re not.

You can like Hara's art, that's fine. Objectively there are clear giveaways of Hara not being a great artist, atleast not at the lvl of individuals he is being compared to.

I have never seen any of Hara’s panels as “flat” there is perspective in every panel where he intends for there to be. I have never had trouble seeing depth or 3-dimensionality in his art, I don’t understand where this criticism is coming from lol

 

[ZenZu]

I have never seen any of Hara’s panels as “flat” there is perspective in every panel where he intends for there to be. I have never had trouble seeing depth or 3-dimensionality in his art, I don’t understand where this criticism is coming from lol

I don't know how else to say this without sounding snobby, you don't have a good eye for this then.

Others have called Kingdom's art ugly but they might not be able to put it into words. This is basically what they're seeing.

You asked for this btw tagging me into this discussion 😂

 

[Owl Ki]

Even in quick gesture drawings, skilled artists nail perspective and flow. That’s why pros can doodle something in seconds and it still reads. When Hara’s panels look like flat collages no matter how detailed, that’s a telltale sign the fundamentals aren’t there.

It’s like a chef who burns rice. You don’t need a 5 star kitchen or months of prep to get that right, it’s a basic skill. When Hara botches depth and perspective, it’s the same kind of giveaway for an artist as burning rice is for a chef. Fundamentals don’t require time, they’re either there or they’re not.

You can like Hara's art, that's fine. Objectively there are clear giveaways of Hara not being a great artist, atleast not at the lvl of individuals he is being compared to.

I gotta love how you say "time doesn't matter for drawing art" and then compare a mangaka to one of the most time restrained jobs of all, a feckin chef. Lol.

I have never seen any of Hara’s panels as “flat” there is perspective in every panel where he intends for there to be. I have never had trouble seeing depth or 3-dimensionality in his art, I don’t understand where this criticism is coming from lol

I don't get this either. The complaints sound wild to me. Having to zoom in on shit like "misaligned raindrops" while praising scribbles makes Zenzu sound like a damn Monty Python caricature.

"Time investment doesn't matter in art" is one hell of a take. Point to any art masterpiece on the planet and the timeframe for it is measured in years but Togashi is better than weekly Hara because the former finally has something that isn't eye searing after a multi month hiatus.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Lol admiral fans can't accept rookie xebec killing one

ikr he's coping through this kingdom art discussion now to feel better

Read some chapters and you'll start to appreciate it heavily.

I did
I gave Kingdom multiple tries even LONG before I joined this forum because my mind couldn't compute how a series that has historical and martial art tag isn't to my liking.
Those panels make my head hurt trying to see what's even going on. The guy should draw still images and paintings instead.

Exactly. This is why it comes off flat even with all that shading, actually it's the shading which is making it so.

Yea it looks like he's drawing reliefs not combat scenes

Can you tell me where the light source is in this?

Only one chad can match the aura Hara has injected Renpa with.

The panel on the left looks almost like a photo. He achieves this by understanding what a light source is. Hara's drawings look like anatomy studies.

 

[FutureWarrior123]

To be fair Hara has many assistants that contribute to the drawing process while Togashi is a stubborn mule who refuses help.

 

[ZenZu]

I gotta love how you say "time doesn't matter for drawing art" and then compare a mangaka to one of the most time restrained jobs of all, a feckin chef. Lol.

I don't get this either. The complaints sound wild to me. Having to zoom in on shit like "misaligned raindrops" while praising scribbles makes Zenzu sound like a damn Monty Python caricature.

"Time investment doesn't matter in art" is one hell of a take. Point to any art masterpiece on the planet and the timeframe for it is measured in years but Togashi is better than weekly Hara because the former finally has something that isn't eye searing after a multi month hiatus.

You’re still confusing polish with fundamentals. I’m not saying time doesn’t matter in art. What I’m saying is that time isn’t what determines whether an artist understands the basics of form, depth, and trajectory. This isn't nitpicking, Hara is failing at the basics and giving himself away.

Even in a quick doodle, a skilled artist won’t draw figures that look like flat cutouts all sitting on the same plane. That’s the giveaway I’m pointing to.

It’s like building a house on a crooked foundation. You can decorate it however you want, but the flaw is always visible.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I need to pick vagabond back up. Lol

Vagabond was the shit, I’ll have to continue that. One Piece was pretty much the only manga I consumed for years, need to get back on peak instead.

last time I checked it was still stuck on chapter 'a man named tadaoki' or so
Tho I haven't checked in like 2 yeara

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

@TheKnightOfTheSea
This Hara discussion rn is like when some casual on youtube says Dax is a better rapper than Tyler because he's dropping lyrical spiritual individual rhymes. Hara's art is like the Dax of the manga world 🤣 people think just because it has a lot of shading and detail it makes him an elite artist, when he's lacking clear fundamentals.

this might be the most disgusting take I've ever seen on this site

 

[ZenZu]

this might be the most disgusting take I've ever seen on this site

Now you understand my pain having this discussion.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Now you understand my pain having this discussion.

it's worse than @RayanOO's entire career tbh

and to think i was going to ask u what u thought about the new Clipse album

 

[ZenZu]

it's worse than @RayanOO's entire career tbh

and to think i was going to ask u what u thought about the new Clipse album

Album of the year

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Can you tell me where the light source is in this?

It’s toward the top-further right. You can see all of the soldier’s helmets brightening toward the top right, and all of the shadows descend to the near-left. The armor and weaponry also darken with shadow toward the bottom left.

This would’ve been obvious to you if you’d looked at the page for 30 seconds. Lol

But anyway, criticizing a manga’s art because you don’t know where the light source is is one of the weirdest fucking takes I’ve ever heard. Hara isn’t trying to be a photo realistic artist lmfao…no manga in the history of manga has ever lost impact because of where the light souce is placed, Jesus H Fuck what a dumb take. Lol

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The panel on the left looks almost like a photo. He achieves this by understanding what a light source is. Hara's drawings look like anatomy studies.

You must be kidding, that character’s entire body is bright white and the background is pitch black. There is absolutely no light source in the larger panel there. Lmfao

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

It’s toward the top-further right. You can see all of the soldier’s helmets brightening toward the top right, and all of the shadows descend to the near-left. The armor and weaponry also darken with shadow toward the bottom left.

This would’ve been obvious to you if you’d looked at the page for 30 seconds. Lol

But anyway, criticizing a manga’s art because you don’t know where the light source is is one of the weirdest fucking takes I’ve ever heard. Hara isn’t trying to be a photo realistic artist lmfao…no manga in the history of manga has ever lost impact because of where the light souce is placed, Jesus H Fuck what a dumb take. Lol

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You must be kidding, that character’s entire body is bright white and the background is pitch black. There is absolutely no light source in the larger panel there. Lmfao

OK it's no use, you just don't have an eye for this

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

OK it's no use, you just don't have an eye for this

I just refuted every point you made, don’t tell me I don’t have an eye for this when you couldn’t spot a very obvious light source lol.

Hara haters will fall asleep any time you show them the beauty of Hara’s art, but will deadass argue that this shit is good art:

It really makes you wonder why Titty hated Shonen so much, his minimalist, detail-averse chapters probably took him 3 hours to draw and his plot was straight nonsense, he didn’t need a whole week to shit out crap like this lol.

 

[MarineHQ]

L'ee actually out here crying

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[Shiroyru]

Admiral fans: “Lebec hostage diffed the Admiral, but also that nameless Admiral is 100x weaker than modern Admirals and only a high tier anyways so it doesn’t even matter if Lebec negged him”

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

L'ee actually out here crying

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Lorotards: Tuck their tails and run away until they return on alt account
Admiralclowns: get ultra defensive and type essays to distract from their defeat

 

[Bullet]

L'ee actually out here crying

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Kingdom's art might be better but Bleach >> Kingdom as a story, you agree?