Role Madness Limbus Company - Masquerade Mafia (Game Thread)

[Ratchet]

Well, that would really be WIFOM.

There's not reason why they wouldn't be able to communicate in public if they truly do happen to be aligned.

I think this is unfair Mango, if this is WIFOM then you can boil all forms of deductive reasoning can also be dismissed as WIFOM. WIFOM is for circular logic, it shouldn't be used to dismiss assumptions without first establishing that the assumption is weak enough to be dismissed.

 

[Ratchet]

I think Mango is probably town though just has tunnel vision on. Don't think I've ever seen him play like this as scum and I like to think I'm the best Mango reader here.

 

[MangoSenpai]

1. Ratchet - Town((/ SK))
7. Polar Bear - Could be anything
9. Fujishiro - Town
10. Michelle - Mafia/ town
12. KWEH - Town/ Mafia
14. MangoSenpai -

Spoiler

15. Alwaysmind - Town
16. The Orca - SK/ Town
17. Jaguark101 - Maf/ town
18. DkKoba - Town/ SK


This is kind of where I am at right now.

Alwaysmind is higly improbably mafia here, if he isn't town he is the SK. But we know through Alexis that AM did block him. I do not find it very realistic to think an SK has a block, so he should be justTown.

If for some reason Orca in fact does not flip SK, the only other players I believe are people of interest are Polar/ Ratchet/ Koba.
Polar aside, the likelyhood that Ratchet and Koba are red are vanishingly low - however could very well fit the SK bill.
Though, I'm not sure if I want to dive much deeper into that angle at this point in time.

Following, the players that I find to have the highest probability of being aligned with red outside of my imminent PoE (Michelle/ Jag) would be primarily Kweh, but Polar also is a candidate.

 

[Ratchet]

and KWEH being targeted by a redirection role that is soft confimed to exist with my own role

When was this?

 

[MangoSenpai]

I think this is unfair Mango, if this is WIFOM then you can boil all forms of deductive reasoning can also be dismissed as WIFOM. WIFOM is for circular logic, it shouldn't be used to dismiss assumptions without first establishing that the assumption is weak enough to be dismissed.

I can understand your argument, however I do find this statement to be a little bit on the nose.

The way I see it the logic that they are not aligned are just as reasonable to believe as them being aligned is.

 

[MangoSenpai]

I think Mango is probably town though just has tunnel vision on. Don't think I've ever seen him play like this as scum and I like to think I'm the best Mango reader here.

Me: Exist

Ratchet when there's a mango around:

Spoiler

 

[MangoSenpai]

I'll change my vote to Jag later, because as I see it the remaining Reds are either;

A) Jag/ Michelle
B) Jag/ Kweh

 

[Michelle]

Okay? What exactly is the issue you have with me saying that I don't really want to deviate from my imminent PoE?

I am a bit puzzled with this post to be honest.

I don't think you understand or you don't want to?
I don't care about your Poe. But 'the likes of' suggests you put me together with someone else and I don't accept that
Anyways since you have me in your immediate poe you cannot convince me you are really focused to find scum

 

[Michelle]

Dunno we have negative content
Vote: Kweh

Sry dont want to punish activity but the game is
dead and youre wolfier then usual

What’s been wolfy about their slot? The fact they voted someone to get things moving joking or not does not strike me as wolfy behavior just NAI

Good post.

you town Fuji?

Im toinscum.

 

[MangoSenpai]

I don't think you understand or you don't want to?
I don't care about your Poe. But 'the likes of' suggests you put me together with someone else and I don't accept that
Anyways since you have me in your immediate poe you cannot convince me you are really focused to find scum

Well, that's definitely an interesting take

So if you are suspicious of someone, why would I ever want or have to try convincing them that I am trying to hunt scum?

I don't tell a fish why it becomes dinner just because the fish doesn't agree with becoming a dinner.

 

[Michelle]

I think Flower is just a town lean honestly, I don’t think she’d come in thread the way she did otherwise

Go on

Immediately asking if we can claim lmao, and doesn’t seem to be trying to put up a front.

A very tentative too early town lean but it’s at least something

Seems very typical Flower core

Yeah I guess that's fair

Ratchet questioning Hayumi doesn't prove something about him, though this shows Hayumi could explain TMI in a convincing way.
I thought the defense on Kweh could show partnership but the defense of Flower shows pocketing intent early in the game

Well, that's definitely an interesting take

So if you are suspicious of someone, why would I ever want or have to try convincing them that I am trying to hunt scum?

I don't tell a fish why it becomes dinner just because the fish doesn't agree with becoming a dinner.

When you are fisherman and you know there are other fishermen in the water aren't you concerned you can catch one of them instead of fish?

 

[Michelle]

So if you are suspicious of someone, why would I ever want or have to try convincing them that I am trying to hunt scum?

Because from my pov you can be scum and I want to make a read on you as well.
Are you really scum hunting or you are faking it?

 

[MangoSenpai]

When you are fisherman and you know there are other fishermen in the water aren't you concerned you can catch one of them instead of fish?

Either way, it matters litle to me whether or not the people I am suspicious approves of my suspicion.

If you are town and you want to change my mind then you are much better off trying to make a case for who you think it is and convince me through diplomacy

 

[Michelle]

I think I have Flower, Fuji, Ratchet, Yoho, Hime all in my way too early town list

 

[Michelle]

Either way, it matters litle to me whether or not the people I am suspicious approves of my suspicion.

If you are town and you want to change my mind then you are much better off trying to make a case for who you think it is and convince me through diplomacy

I don't want to convince you, it's a waste of my time. I have something better to do.
For now I am searching for who is town by looking how Hayumi treat them and that will help me make my own Poe.

 

[MangoSenpai]

Because from my pov you can be scum and I want to make a read on you as well.
Are you really scum hunting or you are faking it?

First of all, I am me, not you. The whole point is that I cannot know what you are, I can only make a guess based off what information I do have access to.
So if I think you are not town, then obviously from my PoV - your PoV would be that of scum, so then already your argument breaks down.

Now if you want to make an argument or plea that I should try to look at your slot from a Town perspective, then that is something else.
I am currently working off of my interpretation of the world, which is not to say that I am unmoving in my opinion, just a baseline to work from.

 

[Michelle]

This might be a bit controversial but I don't hold the same level of trust people are throwing around at ekko and I found them easily town the last time I played with him so I'm wondering for those who were in said game what is different in your approach to them here, unless the people who were there also townreading them here were also tring ekko there in which case lol moot point.
kinda don't feel the same flame from ekko but there's plenty of town explanations still for that just that my eye is more on them than not right now

I agree with you, people tossing him a read like he’s transparently town or something is crazy to me

Not w/w with Koba. If anyone don't see it I can explain

 

[Michelle]

First of all, I am me, not you. The whole point is that I cannot know what you are, I can only make a guess based off what information I do have access to.
So if I think you are not town, then obviously from my PoV - your PoV would be that of scum, so then already your argument breaks down.

Now if you want to make an argument or plea that I should try to look at your slot from a Town perspective, then that is something else.
I am currently working off of my interpretation of the world, which is not to say that I am unmoving in my opinion, just a baseline to work from.

Too many words

Your interpretation is shallow and the read on me is level zero.
i take the bolded as an acceptance of the fact you're not looking at my slot from town perspective

 

[Michelle]

Since I don't have the privilege of holding cards anymore ill start playing them, I wanted to hold back that Michelle is a polarized player so if you find them scummy you are probably right. I'm personally prone to early on tunneling Michelle wrongly but by eod I will know for sure, so far have not inspired any confidence from her posts. It's also partially why I read hime town since if that's your scum partner you don't really bring attention to it

This is a reasonable conclusion to come to

Hayumi again agreeing with Koba about a villager is pockety.

I think this proves I am town because mafia is always taking a mistake posted in the thread and pursue a wrong push.

 

[MangoSenpai]

Too many words

Your interpretation is shallow and the read on me is level zero.
i take the bolded as an acceptance of the fact you're not looking at my slot from town perspective

Well yes, it is quite literally what I said in the sentence previous to that.

But, to be perfectly clear, I've recently been opening up my eyes to the possibility of Kweh being red.
The more I think about it, the more apperitizing it becomes to pursue.

So we may disagree in methods, but my objective is ultimately to solve the game for town.