While I do appreciate the Rocks crew, I feel like Oda kind of forgot about the Giant Gorosei:sanmoji:

They aren´t in the current timeline I don´t think... so maybe they were killed by Loki when he grew up? Though I don´t know if it´s been mentioned if Loki killed anyone else...
 
If thats the case then I dont think Loki is stronger then Harald as of right now, Harald probably let himself be killed or was weakened. @Kurozumi Wiwi
More likely than no, even before knowing Harald strenght Oda loves his drama so I could see something like Harald asking Loki to kill him to end Imu's control. Then Loki likely took the sea to get his revenge on the WG (and funnily was stopped by Shanks, really not helping the allegations lol)
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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If Imu could takeover Harald then what's stopping him from doing that to anyone?
I do think Imu's gonna do that to possibly the admirals but definitely all the fodder CD
I think there is more to it, Loki will for sure surpass him but its highly likely Harald let himself be killed by Loki or he was weakened somehow.
I wouldn't be surprised if Harold could maintain his consciousness for a few seconds to let himself be killed but tbh Dorry and Brogy are fully in on being demons. Loki might have had to actually fight with a Demonao Reverse Harold for a bit
 
If Imu could takeover Harald then what's stopping him from doing that to anyone?
harald was in marie joa 14 years ago, and the HK in elfab even talked about him like he was an ally.

i think harald, in an effort for elfab to be recognized as an official country, sold his soul to imu. That's why imu could take him over so easily.

But harald held it off just enough for loki to kill him at his request.
 
Not really
In other Shounen the threat usually shows up later:
Released from a curse, powered up by magic artifact etc ..
They don't wield absolute power from the beginning like Imu.
Imu was waiting for the mother flame to flood the world again.
I’m sure plenty of shounen had the final villain introduced early, Demon Slayer is the first thing that comes up to my mind. Muzan could have wiped them all out if he just tried hard to locate the hashiras‘ base. He thinks they’re not a threat to him since he slaughtered them for hundreds of years. This is a similar situation with Imu and the World Government. They probably got complacent through the years.
 
Stop believing nonsense. No one in this manga has ever said ¨the new generation will surpass the old¨
it's called having media literacy

oda ain't gonna tell you that point blank. he will just make it so.

the mc is set to surpass every pirate. of course others of his generation will also do similar shit. Trope as old as literature itself. But suddenly one piece is not gonna adhere to it?

one piece is the definition of generic lol. if you think ¨the new generation will surpass the old¨ won't happen, you have way more faith in oda than he deserves.

I'm not saying this cause of agenda or whatever. i don't think new gen like Loby should surpass old gen. But it's gonna happen regardless.
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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Remember the big build up to Hody saying humans didn't do anything to me?
Oda thought he cooked. The punching bag of the arc is the personafication of hate lmao
I kinda get what Oda's trying to say with that decision to not have Hody be a victim yet also be the biggest bigot around.

But it really destroyed any chance of that character being seen as anything but a wet napkin of a character. Literally there is nothing remotely interesting about a random racist pirate who looks up to Arlong.
 
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