Using AI to make creative products

[uyuu]

From what i know, many people use AI to promote/sell their products, and many people use AI in their youtube content (dunno if they are able to monetize such contents or not).

What about a novel? In my case, English is not my first language so i'm not proficient in creating metaphors or poetic scenes using English grammar, but i clearly had too many ideas for a fantasy novel. So i tried some fiction-writing app and use free LLMs, gradually list my characters, scenes and plot thread as prompts.

As i my ideas for plots and subplots were quite clear, i just bombarded the AI writing app with one prompt at a time, created separate chapters, revised a paragraph and scenes whenever necessary, and so on.

As a result, i've just finished creating a fantasy novel, using AI to translate my narrative ideas, emotional beats, scene transitions, plot twists, battle scenes into coherent dramatic sentences. The novel consists of 30 chapters, each chapter with 4k-5k word count.

My question is:

- is it ethical to use AI to create some novel like this?

- will anyone read it if i inform beforehand about AI-assisted process? (All ideas are mine, all the storytelling is from AI)

- can i sell such product? (Not that i must sell it, i'm just a fantasy enjoyer who's surprised that i actually, casually finished a 150k-word fantasy novel during more or less a month, between my work hours at that)

 

[Cruxroux]

- Is it ethical to use AI to create something novel like this?

Using AI for Metaphor and Creating Poetic stuff is fine.
Asking AI to write the entire plot for you while you give the rough idea is not.

will anyone read it if i inform beforehand about AI-assisted process? (All ideas are mine, all the storytelling is from AI)

I don't think so anyone would care. AI is not capable enough to write a book as of now. There will be mistakes and plot changing entirely mid way.

- can i sell such product? (Not that i must sell it, i'm just a fantasy enjoyer who's surprised that i actually, casually finished a 150k-word fantasy novel during more or less a month, between my work hours at that)

You can.

 

[uyuu]

Using AI for Metaphor and Creating Poetic stuff is fine.
Asking AI to write the entire plot for you while you give the rough idea is not.

Not rough idea, each ideas for any scenes are from me. So no, the AI wrote no plot. It just develop each of my idea into a sentence, sentences or paragraph

don't think so anyone would care if, AI is not capable enough to write a book as of now. There will be mistakes and plot changing entirely mid way.

I used prompts to revise any mid-changing plots and disjunctions. I remember the plots, the AI doesn't, i'm the one correcting it at each step.

You can.

no market rules against AI books?

 

[Cruxroux]

No market rules against AI books?

The problem with AI is that it's built and trained on existing data. It can't come up with anything new.
So if AI gave any idea, it means it scraped through some website or some data.

Which can be later subjected to plagiarism., if not reviewed properly.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

From what i know, many people use AI to promote/sell their products, and many people use AI in their youtube content (dunno if they are able to monetize such contents or not).

YT can't tell if it is AI or not.

- is it ethical to use AI to create some novel like this?

Yes it is. People just wants to read a good story. They don't care if it is made by you, a machine, a rock or an alien.

- will anyone read it if i inform beforehand about AI-assisted process? (All ideas are mine, all the storytelling is from AI)

Yes they will but the activists probably won't. I wouldn't lie about being AI helped if I was you but no reason to point it out if not needed as well.

- can i sell such product? (Not that i must sell it, i'm just a fantasy enjoyer who's surprised that i actually, casually finished a 150k-word fantasy novel during more or less a month, between my work hours at that)

Is a product like any other. Nothing justifies the hates a few, very few, people have towards AI. Taking inspiration in other artists is how people ever did art. And artists heavily copying each others ideas is a very old thing.

You know how everyone says how Black Clover is a copy of Naruto. How Bleach inspired the new mangas. Etc.

 

[AL sama]

- is it ethical to use AI to create some novel like this?

yes

- will anyone read it if i inform beforehand about AI-assisted process? (All ideas are mine, all the storytelling is from AI)

yes but not everyone

- can i sell such product? (Not that i must sell it, i'm just a fantasy enjoyer who's surprised that i actually, casually finished a 150k-word fantasy novel during more or less a month, between my work hours at that)

yes

 

[Yoho]

I think A.I should be used as a creative assistant rather than doing the entire job

Use it to bounce ideas off of, or help you when you have writers block, etc etc

Using A.I to write your essays and what not sure go for it but in the realm of creative writing and creativity all together its no longer creative if you're reliant on a machine algorithm

With that being said thats just how I see it, you can indeed have A.I write a story and sell it, a lot of people sell A.I written books on Amazon I just think it loses the creativity part when you do that

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

You could probably legally sell it, whether it's ethical or not might not be that relevant as nobody with a functioning brain should even read an entire a i novel when we can read actual novels. Y'all need to understand that using a i is like copying and rearranging other people's work so whether it's ethical or not, it's just lazy. It will always be an inferior creation and I would lose respect for myself if I ever did something like this myself. Idk how people can live with themselves knowing their "creativity" would go nowhere without a machine in the background doing the heavy lifting.

If that's even creativity, I don't know. It's probably the modern day equivalent of an ancient artist or sculptor throwing some ideas into the room and having his legally owned slaves to do most of the work.

It would certainly be legal to do so and whether its ethical would be up to debate. To have such low standards and low expectations of oneself, on the other hand, in my opinion is more than shameful and not deserving of the same respect as an artist who actually does their own art.

 

[uyuu]

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Using A.I to write your essays and what not sure go for it but in the realm of creative writing and creativity all together its no longer creative if you're reliant on a machine algorithm

With that being said thats just how I see it, you can indeed have A.I write a story and sell it, a lot of people sell A.I written books on Amazon I just think it loses the creativity part when you do that

I disagree on "losing" the creativity part, i think it rather reduces it as i share the writing the long sentences part to AI. I still participate in creative part (it's all my ideas)

You could probably legally sell it, whether it's ethical or not might not be that relevant as nobody with a functioning brain should even read an entire a i novel when we can read actual novels. Y'all need to understand that using a i is like copying and rearranging other people's work so whether it's ethical or not, it's just lazy.

Actual novels? Copying other people's work? It can't copy other people's "work", i gave the detailed ideas of what happens on each scene. The AI copied how other authors structured their sentences.

It will always be an inferior creation and I would lose respect for myself if I ever did something like this myself.

Using technology to implement the ideas? Definitely not always be an inferior creation.

Idk how people can live with themselves knowing their "creativity" would go nowhere without a machine in the background doing the heavy lifting.

If that's even creativity, I don't know. It's probably the modern day equivalent of an ancient artist or sculptor throwing some ideas into the room and having his legally owned slaves to do most of the work.

In a movie there are director, scriptwriter, producer, CGI chief, makeup artists etc forming a team. In building an office there are architect, civil engineer, manual construction labour, and machines doing heavy lifting. There are scientists using AI to collect data, analyze all data statistically, write the introduction-method-result-discussion-conclusion-references and arrange it all and through all that publish science articles, systematic reviews, and gain recognition and actual paid career for it. An architect / engineer using machines (cranes, tractors, trucks) to do literal heavy lifting to accomplish their design, do you view this as "having legally owned slaves" to do most of the work as well?

It would certainly be legal to do so and whether its ethical would be up to debate. To have such low standards and low expectations of oneself, on the other hand, in my opinion is more than shameful and not deserving of the same respect as an artist who actually does their own art.

A director/movie script writer having a team to assist him, an architect having machines to lift stuff for him, are also shameful and not respectable? I think it's too dramatic somehow.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

disagree on "losing" the creativity part, i think it rather reduces it as i share the writing the long sentences part to AI. I still participate in creative part (it's all my ideas)

And you're feeding your creativity to the a i. on top of using other people's work. You're allowing a corporation to use your creativity for free because you want the result to be comparable to other work of other people. Therefore your use of a i seems to be driven by ego.

The AI copied how other authors structured their sentences.

Were they asked?

Definitely not always be an inferior creation.

Sure if you use the word inferior from a perspective of artist powerscaling ranking art for its perceived quality or esthetics.
A flawed work of a human being will always be superior than a superficially perfect looking clean a i work without soul. I bet you also watch a i slop yt videos

A director/movie script writer having a team to assist him, an architect having machines to lift stuff for him, are also shameful and not respectable? I think it's too dramatic somehow

Are you paying the people whose art was used to train the a i? Is a a i a person? Do you also personify and talk to your spoon, table, fridge? Do you want labor laws for things?

 

[uyuu]

And you're feeding your creativity to the a i. on top of using other people's work. You're allowing a corporation to use your creativity for free because you want the result to be comparable to other work of other people. Therefore your use of a i seems to be driven by ego.

So yeah, you actually do know the creative ideas came from me, thus also the creativity in formulating those ideas, generating prompts that direct how all scenes and atmosphere should be.

I'm feeding my creativity to the AI, allowing a corp to use my creativity, yeah i'm okay with it.

I want the result to be comparable to other work of other people? No lol i want my ideas to be translated in good grammar and novel storytelling aspects in order to see my ideas in the form of complete novel. No business in being comparable thing to anyone.

Driven by ego? Where do this even come from? It's your ego that drive you to make funny accusations like this.

Were they asked?

I must ask authors - that had shared their writing to the world - in order to get permission for an AI to compile their storytelling method, sentence-structuring methods, and utilize those methods in other work, as reference and inspiration?

Sure if you use the word inferior from a perspective of artist powerscaling ranking art for its perceived quality or esthetics.
A flawed work of a human being will always be superior than a superficially perfect looking clean a i work without soul. I bet you also watch a i slop yt videos

a flawed work of a human being will always be superior than a superficially perfect looking clean AI work without soul...alright that's clearly your ego and pure subjectivity talking. The entire story and scene ideas are for me, so that should answer the soul part. Superficially perfect looking clean AI work, also incorrect. The AI doesn't always remember the previous plot threads within its next scenes or chapters, so i must correct and remind it manually at each phase.

You bet that i also watch AI slop yt videos...so i guess you hate AI? Or hate when AI used for creative work? Because i don't see you answering for my question of whether a team creating a project is a shameful or not respectable.

Are you paying the people whose art was used to train the a i?

No. The people have shared their creative work to the world. The AI compiled the shared data and arrange the shared data to translate my ideas. Are you paying royalty to other architects that inspired the architect who designed your current living place?

Is a a i a person? Do you also personify and talk to your spoon, table, fridge? Do you want labor laws for things?

So you're a type of person who ask permission from your gadget each time you want to use it? And also pay each companies inventing a form of gadget?

 

[Blax Blah]

I only used AI much for one thing, asking it powerscaling things like A billion Mike Tysons vs a quadrillion Muhammad Alis

 

[uyuu]

I only used AI much for one thing, asking it powerscaling things like A billion Mike Tysons vs a quadrillion Muhammad Alis

Yea well i actually made the the thread to say that nowadays we can actually see our dream story, scenarios and abilities come to fruition in a full book, and i wonder if there are also others who want to do the same thing, implementing their dream stories through AI.

Maybe due to me being a 7-4 worker, i'm rather casual and also skeptical about making money from writing fiction (especially AI-collaborated/assisted fiction), i have no plans to try selling it yet.

YT can't tell if it is AI or not.


Yes it is. People just wants to read a good story. They don't care if it is made by you, a machine, a rock or an alien.


Yes they will but the activists probably won't. I wouldn't lie about being AI helped if I was you but no reason to point it out if not needed as well.


Is a product like any other. Nothing justifies the hates a few, very few, people have towards AI. Taking inspiration in other artists is how people ever did art. And artists heavily copying each others ideas is a very old thing.

You know how everyone says how Black Clover is a copy of Naruto. How Bleach inspired the new mangas. Etc.

I thought authors, moviemakers etc should (and have) state disclaimer first about stuff like this, since it's not purely their work and they will face legal consequences from the AI company by which they use the prompts.

And yea, a part of me is disappointed by existing fiction (how could the author let Eren lose, how could the author write Luffy as the chosen one with god fruit which changes his behavior and toy with tension and struggle, etc) so i'm quite happy to find out that AI can do this for me even with lack of commercial value.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

authors - that had shared their writing to the world

. The people have shared their creative work to the world.

They sold it

I'm done here this is stupid

 

[Owl Ki]

All this sounds like is using an AI to do the actual work.

The art of storytelling is telling the story. If you leave that to somebody else or something else to do then you aren't a storyteller, you're an ideas bloke at best. The premise guy. The concept kid that comes up with ideas to be developed by other hands.

But not a storyteller. And in leaving the work experience to others, you deny yourself the ability to grow and improve.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

nowadays we can actually see our dream story, scenarios and abilities come to fruition in a full book

We always could. Read books then you know how they are written.

And in leaving the work experience to others, you deny yourself the ability to grow and improve.

Fully agree with you.

 

[uyuu]

They sold it

I'm done here this is stupid

Previous architects and gadget makers also sold their design and product, your family didn't pay any of those for their previous design, just paid one architect or a specific gadget company who is inspired by those previous work.

So no, you also indirectly getting references and inspiration to use for free, in various circumstances.

All this sounds like is using an AI to do the actual work.

The art of storytelling is telling the story. If you leave that to somebody else or something else to do then you aren't a storyteller, you're an ideas bloke at best. The premise guy. The concept kid that comes up with ideas to be developed by other hands.

Coming up with ideas is actual work, so that's my part in creating this. The AI part is the linguist part. For this work, yeah i'm not the storyteller. My part involve giving the concept and direct how those concept should be made. Just like a movie is made by team: script writer, director, CGI guy, cameraman, etc.

Also, when i tried to leace the AI LLM alone and just told it to continue, it created cliche plots and forgot stuff and didn't know where to go, i must correct and revise the plot and how to execute at each step.

We always could. Read books then you know how they are written.

Story books are written by ideas and storytelling. In this specific piece, i bring my ideas and tell the AI (as reference manager and linguist) what to write and how to write it.

And in leaving the work experience to others, you deny yourself the ability to grow and improve.

The thing with my life and schedule is i'm not invested enough anymore to grow and improve in this fictional storytelling area (like i used to), especially in english. That's maybe why i also lack the drive to commercialize this, just sharing with you about apparently we are now able to get our novel / story idea completed by using tech.

 

[Reborn]

From what i know, many people use AI to promote/sell their products, and many people use AI in their youtube content (dunno if they are able to monetize such contents or not).

What about a novel? In my case, English is not my first language so i'm not proficient in creating metaphors or poetic scenes using English grammar, but i clearly had too many ideas for a fantasy novel. So i tried some fiction-writing app and use free LLMs, gradually list my characters, scenes and plot thread as prompts.

As i my ideas for plots and subplots were quite clear, i just bombarded the AI writing app with one prompt at a time, created separate chapters, revised a paragraph and scenes whenever necessary, and so on.

As a result, i've just finished creating a fantasy novel, using AI to translate my narrative ideas, emotional beats, scene transitions, plot twists, battle scenes into coherent dramatic sentences. The novel consists of 30 chapters, each chapter with 4k-5k word count.

My question is:

- is it ethical to use AI to create some novel like this?

- will anyone read it if i inform beforehand about AI-assisted process? (All ideas are mine, all the storytelling is from AI)

- can i sell such product? (Not that i must sell it, i'm just a fantasy enjoyer who's surprised that i actually, casually finished a 150k-word fantasy novel during more or less a month, between my work hours at that)

First, you can use AI of any platform to build your product and sell it.


Just make sure AI you are using comes up with licence to use. Many platforms only allow their AI usage after subscription for a reason.


Second, don't take AI content as it is. It's like an assistant so feed your ideas, Organize through AI and then add your own flavour by modifying it.

Third, there are tools that can pick on plagiarism through AI but nothing stops you from selling your novel as long as it's not violating any copyrights.


To avoid copyright - modifying AI generated content by adding your own creativity and flavour would work.

That would make your novel more humane and relatable to read.

Fourth, if people will know you are using AI to make novels then your credibility might take a hit. So, you better don't let anyone know.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

I thought authors, moviemakers etc should (and have) state disclaimer first about stuff like this, since it's not purely their work and they will face legal consequences from the AI company by which they use the prompts.

I'm completely unaware of that. All I know is places like Pixiv and DeviantArt has tags for people to tell if their work is AI or not but I don't think anyone is validating that.

And yea, a part of me is disappointed by existing fiction (how could the author let Eren lose, how could the author write Luffy as the chosen one with god fruit which changes his behavior and toy with tension and struggle, etc) so i'm quite happy to find out that AI can do this for me even with lack of commercial value.

EXACTLY!!!

My dream is to have my own One Piece version. And maybe even other works too like DBZ, Naruto, Bleach etc.

 

[Logiko]

- is it ethical to use AI to create some novel like this?

No.

- AI Gen, no matter the license today, are trained on the work of other people that most likely didn't consent to AI training.
- AI Gen, do not creates or imagine, it copies with precision. Creativity is the art of connection and recombination. AI does not do that, AI take a work and makes copy of it through iteration and prompts. It's not a creative process. And it's usually a creative process that is denied from real people in what we call "artistic fields".

But most of all:

- AI Gen technology is based massively on the exploitation of people in the global south, the more you use it, the more you will be linked to this exploitation
- AI Gen is an environment killer as it's need in term of locals and ressources are IMMENSES. Pushing AIgen is a middle finger to any people who try to fight climatechange

No one will mind if you use chatgpt here and there, but if you start using AIgen massively and on top of that for creative purposes or to make profil, the ethical use will be gone in flammes.

- will anyone read it if i inform beforehand about AI-assisted process? (All ideas are mine, all the storytelling is from AI)

If the storytelling comes from AI, the ideas are

Every good writer must know this very simple rule : Ideas are cheap. You will have dozen, maybe hundreds, maybe thousands of ideas for a story.. Having an idea is the most easy thing in a creative process, it doesn't require any efforts.

But working around those ideas, crafting them, shaping them to make a story is an entirely different matter.

Wanting the AI to build you a story even if you have some ideas of the plot and stuff is like asking a painter to make a picture of a woman, but you absolutely don't know how she will look, what will be the technics used, what will be the painting used, what will be the subject or the time put into it etc.

If you know the technics, you can build something with care.

BUT

If you don't know the technics, no matter how hard you try. The AI will not help you and your work - IN THE EYES OF PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND THE CRAFT - will look like that:

If I could build stories just with my ideas, I would be a billionnaires by now, I had thousands. But that's not how storytelling works. You need to understand how to write stories to make a story and you need to craft it to make it your own and not a cheap goofy copy.

- can i sell such product? (Not that i must sell it, i'm just a fantasy enjoyer who's surprised that i actually, casually finished a 150k-word fantasy novel during more or less a month, between my work hours at that)

You can. But be prepared to be ridiculized by artists and the major part of the internet you will show your "work" to as a whole.

If your work is yours, there is no problem, but if you use AI, it will be obvious and it will not be very qualitatif. Trust me, I checked and no IA understands how to create a story.

Remember that sentences - in case of a literary work - are ALSO a part of your story. The way you craft sentences also matters in terms of technics you use, how you shape words, what words you use, what words you don't use etc.