Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1159 Spoilers Discussion

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You know, we shit on Dragon all the time for not doing anything, but at least he saw how disgusting the CDs in GV were and left the Marines

And Garp got mad at him for that…

Imagine your son seeing the WG corruption firsthand while just being 17 years old and decided to stop serving them on his own

And you, his father, do NOT approve of this…

Remind me again how Garp is supposed to be a “le good guy hero” again?

:risisweat::risisweat::risisweat:

Becuase real chads are like Fujitora: they don't give a fuck just the same, but in the marines :myman:.

But seriously speaking, yeah lol.
 
Exactly. That's why they won't.

They'll fight, sure, but there were already plenty of hints that it was Imu who took down Xebec.
Why are they fighting a man on a mission to save his family?

And to make it worse what if Rocks’ wife wasn’t even dead yet when Rocks arrived… So Roger and Garp literally stall Rocks from saving her


He's mad because his son become a revolutionary.
Not because he left the Marines
Why is becoming a revolutionary bad then?
I don’t think so. Rocks is a generally bad guy it’s just that his enemies are worse guys, the WG

the big question is what did he do that was so bad that Roger and Garp literally looked around at the celestial dragons hunting slaves for fun and decided that actually Rocks is who they should fight
 
@Elder Lee Hung
What do you think about the theories that Dragon/Sakazuki were at some point rivals/friends?

Tbh, I think it's become a bit of a forced theory, but anything is possible I guess
Long post:

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/monkey-d-dragon.68344/post-6125735

Akainu and Dragon clearly have a deep connection, as said in other threads:

Getting to the point, what pushed us to hypothesize for the first time that two men so apparently opposites, absolute justice vs. freedom, so on opposite sides of the barricade, Head of the main military force of the GM vs. Leader of the opposition par excellence, had a past in common?

1) First of all, the fact that in Marineford Akainu himself had shown almost a... fixation for Luffy as "son of Dragon", continuing to address him in this way, unique among all, for the entire saga:







A fixation that even led him to prefer him, Luffy, son of Dragon, to Ace, son of Roger, the fulcrum and objective of the entire Marineford War:

This detail tends to go unnoticed, but Akainu prefers Luffy to Ace; Ace dies only because he is the one who gets in the way, thus saving Luffy.

2) This fixation of Akainu for Dragon has led many to raise an eyebrow and try to understand where the two, the marine and the man that even his subordinates seem not to know, could have met ... and the answer was: in the Navy, of course!

Garp had repeatedly shown his desire to raise future Marines; among many:



Everything pointed to him having done the same with his son, Dragon. Well, five hundred chapters later this thing has finally been confirmed:



Dragon was actually a marine, when he was young.

3) Now, given that Dragon was actually a marine and that Akainu seems to have a strange obsession for him, even in front of Roger's son (to whom, as mentioned, he "prefers" Dragon's son), when could this meeting have happened?

Well, it's soon said: the two, curiously, but not that much, are the same age; 55 years old.

We know that Akainu joined the Navy 32 years ago, at the age of 23, and since Dragon is the same age, he could have done the same. This coincides with a Dragon who during the events of Ohara, 22 years ago, was no longer part of the Navy. But this does not create any problem, having hypothetically joined at least ten years before those events.


4) The similarities do not end here:

- not only are the two the same age;

- not only are they, as seen, somehow both connected to the events of Ohara, but;

- with the post TS they have assumed similar positions: both are at the head of their respective organizations, Akainu of the Navy and Dragon of the Revolutionaries;

- now that we have discovered that Akainu's bounty is 5 billion, we can also draw a parallel with that of Dragon who, as he was known as the "worst criminal in the world" when BB was still alive, should also have a bounty of at least 5 billion:


- there is another potential parallel that I would like to draw attention to: both seem to be placed in fierce opposition to one of the "legends" of the OP world, original or "reborn":

Akainu is in opposition to Luffy, the new Joy Boy, whose brother he killed and to whom, in trying to kill him, he caused a huge scar on the chest in a manga where scars bind the characters' destinies:





Dragon, on the other hand, is clearly placed in a relationship of radical opposition to Imu, his objective being the fall of the World Government and the Celestial Dragons in particular and Imu being the first and darkest foundation, as well as the true leader, of the GM and the true "King" of the CDs.

To recap

1. Akainu showed MF an unusual and even excessive obsession with Dragon;
2. we had confirmation that Dragon and Akainu were both in the Navy;
3. Dragon and Akainu are the same age, which in addition to being one of those little connection indices that Oda likes, like heights, makes it even more likely that they served together and therefore met;
4. they are both linked to Ohara: one as an integral part of the events, one instead as the place that led him to decide to definitively fight the WG;
5. they both have the "same" position: leaders of their respective forces;
6. they probably have a very similar bounty, in both cases at the level of 5 billion;
7. they both seem to be in an oppositional relationship with the "legends" of the OP world: Akainu with Joy Boy (reborn); Dragon with Imu, King of the world and supreme leader of the Dragons.
 
Why are they fighting a man on a mission to save his family?

And to make it worse what if Rocks’ wife wasn’t even dead yet when Rocks arrived… So Roger and Garp literally stall Rocks from saving her
Yeah, no canches they are the ones. Oda wouldn't do that.

They'll fight surely, but they won't beat Rocks. Imu at this point is the only real answer, and we had various hints of that:


 
Long post:

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/monkey-d-dragon.68344/post-6125735

Akainu and Dragon clearly have a deep connection, as said in other threads:

Getting to the point, what pushed us to hypothesize for the first time that two men so apparently opposites, absolute justice vs. freedom, so on opposite sides of the barricade, Head of the main military force of the GM vs. Leader of the opposition par excellence, had a past in common?

1) First of all, the fact that in Marineford Akainu himself had shown almost a... fixation for Luffy as "son of Dragon", continuing to address him in this way, unique among all, for the entire saga:







A fixation that even led him to prefer him, Luffy, son of Dragon, to Ace, son of Roger, the fulcrum and objective of the entire Marineford War:

This detail tends to go unnoticed, but Akainu prefers Luffy to Ace; Ace dies only because he is the one who gets in the way, thus saving Luffy.

2) This fixation of Akainu for Dragon has led many to raise an eyebrow and try to understand where the two, the marine and the man that even his subordinates seem not to know, could have met ... and the answer was: in the Navy, of course!

Garp had repeatedly shown his desire to raise future Marines; among many:



Everything pointed to him having done the same with his son, Dragon. Well, five hundred chapters later this thing has finally been confirmed:



Dragon was actually a marine, when he was young.

3) Now, given that Dragon was actually a marine and that Akainu seems to have a strange obsession for him, even in front of Roger's son (to whom, as mentioned, he "prefers" Dragon's son), when could this meeting have happened?

Well, it's soon said: the two, curiously, but not that much, are the same age; 55 years old.

We know that Akainu joined the Navy 32 years ago, at the age of 23, and since Dragon is the same age, he could have done the same. This coincides with a Dragon who during the events of Ohara, 22 years ago, was no longer part of the Navy. But this does not create any problem, having hypothetically joined at least ten years before those events.


4) The similarities do not end here:

- not only are the two the same age;

- not only are they, as seen, somehow both connected to the events of Ohara, but;

- with the post TS they have assumed similar positions: both are at the head of their respective organizations, Akainu of the Navy and Dragon of the Revolutionaries;

- now that we have discovered that Akainu's bounty is 5 billion, we can also draw a parallel with that of Dragon who, as he was known as the "worst criminal in the world" when BB was still alive, should also have a bounty of at least 5 billion:


- there is another potential parallel that I would like to draw attention to: both seem to be placed in fierce opposition to one of the "legends" of the OP world, original or "reborn":

Akainu is in opposition to Luffy, the new Joy Boy, whose brother he killed and to whom, in trying to kill him, he caused a huge scar on the chest in a manga where scars bind the characters' destinies:





Dragon, on the other hand, is clearly placed in a relationship of radical opposition to Imu, his objective being the fall of the World Government and the Celestial Dragons in particular and Imu being the first and darkest foundation, as well as the true leader, of the GM and the true "King" of the CDs.

To recap

1. Akainu showed MF an unusual and even excessive obsession with Dragon;
2. we had confirmation that Dragon and Akainu were both in the Navy;
3. Dragon and Akainu are the same age, which in addition to being one of those little connection indices that Oda likes, like heights, makes it even more likely that they served together and therefore met;
4. they are both linked to Ohara: one as an integral part of the events, one instead as the place that led him to decide to definitively fight the WG;
5. they both have the "same" position: leaders of their respective forces;
6. they probably have a very similar bounty, in both cases at the level of 5 billion;
7. they both seem to be in an oppositional relationship with the "legends" of the OP world: Akainu with Joy Boy (reborn); Dragon with Imu, King of the world and supreme leader of the Dragons.
Nice post, but again I don't really agree still.

Was his interest in Dragon and his son really excessive? We know that Akainu and the rest of the Marines wanted to kill Ace since he was a baby, and believed that Ace carries the sins of his father in him. Akainu as an extremist decided that not only was Ace a problem, but Luffy was also a problem who needed to be eliminated. It isn't really an unusual obsession, just his version of a logical conclusion,

Them being both in the navy is interesting, but again, they might have not been in the navy at the same time, if Dragon left after God Valley especially, which seems likely.

3-6 is fine, but bro 7 is just a weird reach. No offense.

If anything, Oda will probably set up Dragon as an enemy of Garling, based on corrupt European aristocracy, while Dragon is based on various South American revolutionaries. And we even are seeing them both in this chapter, with Dragon saving Shanks from him, or whatever
 
Long post:

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/monkey-d-dragon.68344/post-6125735

Akainu and Dragon clearly have a deep connection, as said in other threads:

Getting to the point, what pushed us to hypothesize for the first time that two men so apparently opposites, absolute justice vs. freedom, so on opposite sides of the barricade, Head of the main military force of the GM vs. Leader of the opposition par excellence, had a past in common?

1) First of all, the fact that in Marineford Akainu himself had shown almost a... fixation for Luffy as "son of Dragon", continuing to address him in this way, unique among all, for the entire saga:







A fixation that even led him to prefer him, Luffy, son of Dragon, to Ace, son of Roger, the fulcrum and objective of the entire Marineford War:

This detail tends to go unnoticed, but Akainu prefers Luffy to Ace; Ace dies only because he is the one who gets in the way, thus saving Luffy.

2) This fixation of Akainu for Dragon has led many to raise an eyebrow and try to understand where the two, the marine and the man that even his subordinates seem not to know, could have met ... and the answer was: in the Navy, of course!

Garp had repeatedly shown his desire to raise future Marines; among many:



Everything pointed to him having done the same with his son, Dragon. Well, five hundred chapters later this thing has finally been confirmed:



Dragon was actually a marine, when he was young.

3) Now, given that Dragon was actually a marine and that Akainu seems to have a strange obsession for him, even in front of Roger's son (to whom, as mentioned, he "prefers" Dragon's son), when could this meeting have happened?

Well, it's soon said: the two, curiously, but not that much, are the same age; 55 years old.

We know that Akainu joined the Navy 32 years ago, at the age of 23, and since Dragon is the same age, he could have done the same. This coincides with a Dragon who during the events of Ohara, 22 years ago, was no longer part of the Navy. But this does not create any problem, having hypothetically joined at least ten years before those events.


4) The similarities do not end here:

- not only are the two the same age;

- not only are they, as seen, somehow both connected to the events of Ohara, but;

- with the post TS they have assumed similar positions: both are at the head of their respective organizations, Akainu of the Navy and Dragon of the Revolutionaries;

- now that we have discovered that Akainu's bounty is 5 billion, we can also draw a parallel with that of Dragon who, as he was known as the "worst criminal in the world" when BB was still alive, should also have a bounty of at least 5 billion:


- there is another potential parallel that I would like to draw attention to: both seem to be placed in fierce opposition to one of the "legends" of the OP world, original or "reborn":

Akainu is in opposition to Luffy, the new Joy Boy, whose brother he killed and to whom, in trying to kill him, he caused a huge scar on the chest in a manga where scars bind the characters' destinies:





Dragon, on the other hand, is clearly placed in a relationship of radical opposition to Imu, his objective being the fall of the World Government and the Celestial Dragons in particular and Imu being the first and darkest foundation, as well as the true leader, of the GM and the true "King" of the CDs.

To recap

1. Akainu showed MF an unusual and even excessive obsession with Dragon;
2. we had confirmation that Dragon and Akainu were both in the Navy;
3. Dragon and Akainu are the same age, which in addition to being one of those little connection indices that Oda likes, like heights, makes it even more likely that they served together and therefore met;
4. they are both linked to Ohara: one as an integral part of the events, one instead as the place that led him to decide to definitively fight the WG;
5. they both have the "same" position: leaders of their respective forces;
6. they probably have a very similar bounty, in both cases at the level of 5 billion;
7. they both seem to be in an oppositional relationship with the "legends" of the OP world: Akainu with Joy Boy (reborn); Dragon with Imu, King of the world and supreme leader of the Dragons.
Doesn't this prove,
Dragon/Sabo vs Akainu is more likely to happen
Than Luffy vs Akainu?
 
Nice post, but again I don't really agree still.
No problem.

Was his interest in Dragon and his son really excessive? We know that Akainu and the rest of the Marines wanted to kill Ace since he was a baby, and believed that Ace carries the sins of his father in him. Akainu as an extremist decided that not only was Ace a problem, but Luffy was also a problem who needed to be eliminated. It isn't really an unusual obsession, just his version of a logical conclusion,
The fact in MF was more that while all the Marines wanted Ace, Akainu chose Luffy instead.


3-6 is fine, but bro 7 is just a weird reach. No offense.
No problem, no offence, though I think it's purely objective:

- What is Dragon final objective? The WG, and who is the head/final enemy of that force? Imu.
Dragon vs Imu, with Dragon losing, has always been a widespread take precisely because of this.

-What is Akainu final objective? The pirates, and who is the final enemy of that force, not to mention one personally related to Akainu? Luffy, as the next PK.

Akainu and Dragon's final enemy are, in theory, Luffy and Imu both, and both are going to lose btw.

If anything, Oda will probably set up Dragon as an enemy of Garling, based on corrupt European aristocracy, while Dragon is based on various South American revolutionaries. And we even are seeing them both in this chapter, with Dragon saving Shanks from him, or whatever
This might be the thing, but after Imu defeats Dragon imho.
 
who will fight Garling EOS ?

Shanks
Dragon
Teach

I only see those 3

Dragon will either very high diff Garling or Akainu
Or mid diffing Warcury
Before confronting Imu

if Dragon is really the Wyper of the last arc then he will low/mid diff a God commander (second strongest) to by hyped etc then confront Imu
 
Becuase real chads are like Fujitora: they don't give a fuck just the same, but in the marines :myman:.

But seriously speaking, yeah lol.
Fujitora’s entire existence is an insult to Garp

Garp kept refusing the Admiral promotion because he didn’t want to directly serve the CDs and “hurr durr it restricts my freedom”

Yet Fujitora who just got the admiral title within 1-2 years has already spat in the WG and CDs face by:

-refusing to cover up Doffy defeat in Dressrosa
-refusing to capture Law and Luffy
-talking back to Fleet Admiral
-allowing slaves to escape in Reverie
-fighting with Aramaki

Garp could never

:risiflip::risiflip::risiflip:
 
At this point Dragon vs Garling is the most likely match up to happen. No one else is more important to face Garling, except for maybe Shanks but eh.
I think it can be a good match up too

But my problem is I think Oda will respect both fighters so the fight will be a difficult one and hard fought. And Dragon needs to be in a somewhat good shape before fighting Imu. I don’t think Oda will put a bleeding and exhausted Dragon in front of a clean Imu. The Imu hype won’t be huge that way.

‘So I think if Dragon fights Imu and does okay before being crushed to hype Imu he cannot have an extreme fight beforehand.

‘So I think mid diffing Warcury (someone I am sure Oda won’t have any problèm disrespecting) is safer for plot reason. It would hype Dragon before his fight and hype Imu beating Dragon ass
 
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