Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1159 Spoilers Discussion

[soupongo]

It wouldn’t matter if it was fake, if his name was Marshall D Teach at the time of God Valley that would still cause all sorts of consistency issues

At the very least, Oda should try justifying this in the manga itself. The fans shouldn't have to keep trying to put it together for him, good or bad reason

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Senmenowhere is the biggest government pussy genuinely how was Roger considering him a questionable foe

I do wonder why he wasn't at God Valley..

I would imagine after Marineford, they had a pretty intense investigation into his background after he fooled them so badly.

Only for them to then accept another D clan member (Law) into their organization. The most competent government in fiction!!

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Tbh when Rayleigh stopped Blackbeard Oda gave Rayleigh biggest gigachad moment in the series.

But he took some of his luster away a page later. That was not necessary @ZenZu

How is it bad that old rusty Ray who's only fight in like 22 years was against Kizaru which lasted for 5 minutes, is losing to Teach?

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Wdym?

Rayleigh saying due to Old age he might lose to Blackbeard

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

I do wonder why he wasn't at God Valley..

Only for them to then accept another D clan member (Law) into their organization. The most competent government in fiction!!

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How is it bad that old rusty Ray who's only fight in like 22 years was against Kizaru which lasted for 5 minutes, is losing to Teach?

But Law hides his D. heritage completely.

 

[WorstMan]

It's so obvious, Rayleigh will get the giga chad portrayal. Roger and Garp will fight Rocks but Rocks will appear as being bad because he will not reveal to anyone who his wife and kid is, so most will think it's that he wants to enslave Shakky. Or, the domi reversi thing but...there's no way that will work on someone with Rocks' will power, in fact it's not happening. Some manipulation from world government side will pit him against Garp and Roger, leading to his ultimate demise and it's going to be a really sad one. But, defo a Rocks upscale when all is said and done...future PK and hero of the marines needed 2 v 1. Rocks the true goat.

Rayleigh vs Garling is 100% happening. I don't think tournament will play out fully, will get cut short due to pirate disruption, some chaos ensues, and Roger pirates flee with Shakky. Garling clearly doesn't lose and he may be forced to prioritise saving celestial dragons or some other duty, thus giving up his chase for Shakky.

We may see for the first time Dragon using conquerors haki, Garp will be witness to it too. This flashback is shaping up to be best flashback of all time?

 

[M.O]

Usopp is a descendant of Davy D. Jones, just look at Xebec and Teach's nose and compare it to Usopp

 

[MUUGEN]

Doffy was crucifed at a young age and saw his own mom die of starvation/disease or whatever. This was after he was used to live a life of luxury and decadence. He killed his father thinking it would improve his situation as well as his brothers situation. Evil? Yes, but Doffy was very obviously humanized.

so that justifies everything hes done? lol

Hancock and her Sisters were literally kidnapped and became CDs play things, but they haven't done anything remotely close to what Joker has at worse they were going to kill amazon warriors against luffy, thats fucked up but i wouldnt call hancock or the sonderson sisters evil. Rosanante had the same upbringing and look how he turned out.

Sabo saw both sides of it and guess what hes a leader of the Revs.

cry me a river every single character has had a struggle just like IRL everyone has a past and they are not all beautiful some are ugly and not everyone turns out the same.

Doffy is just the most extreme/sadistic version of most arc villains. He takes over a country/city and oppresses the people, killing anyone who gets in his way. Rocks just wanted to do that on a global scale. Doffy and Rocks both have soft spots, you can argue who is more sympathetic, but ultimately both are evil men.

why do you think Rocks wants to become king of the world?

yet again your only standing point for rocks being evil is cause he destroyed cities and claim he killed innocents for no reason...

You could use whatever example you want, the point is that Oda did try humanizing Kaido by showing him save King and Jack, or even raising Ulti or Page 1. Arguably, adopting your friends kid is more of a humanizing moment then Xebec caring about his own kids. Despite this, Kaido is still obviously evil, and I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

yes they are human it doent change the fact that at of the day Joker is truly evil, Kaido is evil for what he did with Wano and Rocks for eveything we know and have been told is smply being slandered by WG and at worst he has destroyed towns/islands such as Luffy and the SHs have in evey single arc in every single new island they visit Luffy destroys a huge chunk of it...

I'm sure the people who lived in those towns would consider Rocks evil. You wouldn't?

we dont know the circumstances do we now?

Luffy literally folded an entire island and destroyed city blocks and guess what DR absolutely loves and thanks Luffy, same with Skypiea & Fishman Island hell Luffy was destroying Noah and the Merfolk thanked and praised Luffy...

try again..

 

[fanboy]

Dracule might not be Mihawk's last name since we have gotten confirmation that characters can just change their names.

 

[soupongo]

so you cant list a single time Rocks has killed an innocent?

yes, lmao Oda already told you

Oda just didn't think it was plot relevant to give any names. Ruining an entire country is basically what Croocdile did, 14 ports being wiped out and 5 towns probably lead to at least a few thousand casualties.

iirc your guy Joker killed Rosanate, an innocent & his brother he also killed his father. Akainu killed Ace and a handful or marines who were innocents.... Fisher Tiger was killed for what reason again oh yeah racism & slavery...

Luffy also had every intention of attempting to kill Zoro on Whiskey Peak,

didnt nami kill whirlwood.... & luffy more than likely killed an innocent that was in the toy soldiers from guess where Jokers crew...

Doffy killed his brother and dad in contextual situations. Both are horrible but his brother was a marine who intended to harm him, and his father was because he believed it would save his life and his brothers life.

Akainu has killed 1 named character, and Ace was meh on innocence, he was part of a war against the Marines. So by your logic, Akainu has killed like 5 named characters on the Ohara refugee ship, when we know the actual number of people he's killed is like tens of thousands, if not significantly more.

The SHP aren't confirmed to have purposefully have actually killed anyone innocent iir, I don't think the whirlwood thing is canon, and I don't remember the toy

 

[ZenZu]

What if it is Imu
Ain't no way Rayleigh is coming out shining from that one

Doesn't matter, especially in this context even Imu won't look good against Rayleigh.

 

[MUUGEN]

The same Joker who blew his own dad's head off?

lol true but he would do it for personl gain or orders from Imu.

 

[ZenZu]

Tbh when Rayleigh stopped Blackbeard Oda gave Rayleigh biggest gigachad moment in the series.

But he took some of his luster away a page later. That was not necessary @ZenZu

At the end of the day, it was already disrespectful enough to do that to your final villain. Only cause it was Ray Oda did that this late into the series. No way should BB be shitting his pants at this stage.

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

At the very least, Oda should try justifying this in the manga itself. The fans shouldn't have to keep trying to put it together for him, good or bad reason

I mean, it's not that hard to think of.

WG just knew there was a Davy kid at GV, who likely died -> A guy with no bounty or infamy and a fake family name joins the Warlords -> Only is a Warlord for a week -> Enraged at being fooled, a investigation is ordered -> "Oh shit, he's Xebec's kid all along".

 

[soupongo]

Rayleigh saying due to Old age he might lose to Blackbeard

That's just a meme tbh

"Oh I wouldn't really beat the guy who I made run away like a bitch"
I'm shocked Oda didn't have a scene of Rayleigh getting the Amazon lily girls praising him for being so humble lol.

 

[Guymieux]

Ray stepped in for Shakky and WB for Teach (the irony!). Could see that.



No, it just means Ryuma and Mihawk were on a higher level than any other swordsman in 800 years.

Kind of like Bubka and Duplantis in Pole Vault are super men but there were other Champions in between. Or Muhammad Ali, Tyson and Usyk. Pele, Maradona, Messi. Others were the best at a certain time but some exceptions reach black blade.




Well.. Oda will need to explain that. I doubt Xebec or Roger will go down as swordsmen, more like Jacks of all Trades that are also skilled with swords, guns or hand to hand. They don't strike me as purists like Zoro and Mihawk, even Fujitora, but rather like overall fighters same as King.

But they’ve never used anything but their swords lol

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

At the end of the day, it was already disrespectful enough to do that to your final villain. Only cause it was Ray Oda did that this late into the series. No way should BB be shitting his pants at this stage.

Look at what Gaban did to Luffy. Oda can't help his fetish for burly old men.

 

[Francher Styles]

I see a lot of people exaggerating Rayleigh's performance in God Valley, inb4 Rayleigh took advantage of the fact that everyone was against everyone and sneakily freed Shakky

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

But Law hides his D. heritage completely.

Fair.

 

[pg13]

Oda is so good at writing about the Past Events of a story.I wish the same energy was applied to the Present

 

[DarkWitch]

I really don't see Ray and Garling clashing.

Oda needs to make Ray look good and have him be the hero that saves Shakky, but at the same time, he also needs to hype up Garling as well.

Which is why I don't see those two clashing at all, someone else will be used to hype up Ray, and I still believe Whitebeard will be used to hype up Garling.