Chapter Discussion CHAPTER 1159: "THE ISLAND OF DESTINY"
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What? Xebec’s been shown as honorable the whole flashback. His violence isn’t any worse than Roger’s. Roger wiped out towns over insults and slaughtered Squard’s crew, he also spent his first twenty years of piracy chasing women. Xebec actually had goals and cared about family unlike Mr. Simp.
He’s nothing like Teach. He fights without fear, and treats people differently. His only flaw was recruiting anyone without caring about loyalty. Stussy and Gloriosa prove that you didn’t even need to be strong to join, they fitted right in. Too bad that a bunch of them were opportunists who never deserved him. That’s the risk with creating a large band to try and overthrow Imu, internal problems could turn out to be worse than one can handle.
He’s nothing like Teach. He fights without fear, and treats people differently. His only flaw was recruiting anyone without caring about loyalty. Stussy and Gloriosa prove that you didn’t even need to be strong to join, they fitted right in. Too bad that a bunch of them were opportunists who never deserved him. That’s the risk with creating a large band to try and overthrow Imu, internal problems could turn out to be worse than one can handle.
See, that is why I enjoy the flashback so much.
Rocks was a mad man who got to Imu after invading Mariejois. He built a absurdly powerful crew but only for power. He was another simp chasing Shakky.
But there is always that one thing he cherished.
Loyalty. He hates traitors and values his allies amd friends. His only flaw is being shortsighted and rather reactionary. He did things first before thinking.
But he is a changed man after building a family.
This is no longer a Rocks who's main goal on life is to become Kingm
This is Rocks after building a family.
Perhaps his undoing in a way.
I feel it may come down to Rocks needing to decide between aiding his wife (?) and son or his "family" his crew.
Perhaps may also explain a bit of Kaidou and why he had next to no love for Yamato.
Also adds into Dragon.
If Rocks falls cause he chose his kid over his crew, then that may create this entire idea how a child is a weakness and so Kaidou may see Yamato as his own weakness. And Kaidou does not tolerate weaknesses.
Or why Kaidou went on about betrayals if he believes that choosing your child over your own ambitions was because he feels Rocks betrayed them.
And this also adds in to another thing perhaps.
Recall Kaidou proposed Rocks to betray Harald and Rocks shut it down HARD cause you know, friends?
Imagine now, Rocks goes against his crew for his family.
This may be the foundation to why Kaidou has no love for Yamato.
Would that add up?
That’s a good way of putting it, Xebec was kind of shortsighted. He wanted to get shit done, recruited anybody, created a paradise for pirates without thinking of the possible consequence of not practicing selectivity.
People bring up Xebec using the Davy Back tradition as if that means that Xebec forced people to stay lol. Davy Back is just a contract, done fair and square, nobody plays that game and complains afterward. I don’t see anybody acting like they didn’t wanna be there, most of them happily benefitted staying within the crew. Xebec even reprimanded Kaido’s proposal of forcing Harald to work with them.
People bring up Xebec using the Davy Back tradition as if that means that Xebec forced people to stay lol. Davy Back is just a contract, done fair and square, nobody plays that game and complains afterward. I don’t see anybody acting like they didn’t wanna be there, most of them happily benefitted staying within the crew. Xebec even reprimanded Kaido’s proposal of forcing Harald to work with them.
Captain and top 3 of Rocks crew again and again. Oda couldn't be making this any clearer these were the heavy hitters of the Rocks crew
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I think Xebec went through a character change after he got a family, he feels his end is coming near, his crew is made of scunbags who would back stab him but he wants to save his family, this is not the same savage guy who used a sword to beat up a child when WB noted he went overboard
This is exactly what I am talking about when it comes to the whitewashing of Rocks.
Take aside all the hearsay stuff of towns being destroyed, etc that applies to both Roger and Rocks.
This is the very first thing we see Rocks do in the flashback.
Where exactly is the honour here? It’s psychotic behaviour. Especially since it’s following up from the brief snippet of Whitebeard chewing Rocks out for using his sword on a kid.
He may well be exactly like Teach. Taking a bunch of hostages and then killing an Admiral does not scream honourable combat to me. He is, from what we explicitly know, a hostage taking murderer who attacks children.
Why on earth would Whitebeard, or anyone, be loyal to him?
It is pretty clear to me that Rocks being unable to get anyone to join him willingly is a sign of a serious flaw in his own personality, not in the rest of the crews. Pretty much every other leader, hero or villain, is able to inspire loyalty, including Blackbeard. Rocks can’t do it. If Luffy’s greatest ability is to turn everyone to his side, Rocks is the exact opposite.
Take aside all the hearsay stuff of towns being destroyed, etc that applies to both Roger and Rocks.
This is the very first thing we see Rocks do in the flashback.
Where exactly is the honour here? It’s psychotic behaviour. Especially since it’s following up from the brief snippet of Whitebeard chewing Rocks out for using his sword on a kid.
He may well be exactly like Teach. Taking a bunch of hostages and then killing an Admiral does not scream honourable combat to me. He is, from what we explicitly know, a hostage taking murderer who attacks children.
Why on earth would Whitebeard, or anyone, be loyal to him?
It is pretty clear to me that Rocks being unable to get anyone to join him willingly is a sign of a serious flaw in his own personality, not in the rest of the crews. Pretty much every other leader, hero or villain, is able to inspire loyalty, including Blackbeard. Rocks can’t do it. If Luffy’s greatest ability is to turn everyone to his side, Rocks is the exact opposite.
This is exactly what I am talking about when it comes to the whitewashing of Rocks.
Take aside all the hearsay stuff of towns being destroyed, etc that applies to both Roger and Rocks.
This is the very first thing we see Rocks do in the flashback.
Where exactly is the honour here? It’s psychotic behaviour. Especially since it’s following up from the brief snippet of Whitebeard chewing Rocks out for using his sword on a kid.
He may well be exactly like Teach. Taking a bunch of hostages and then killing an Admiral does not scream honourable combat to me. He is, from what we explicitly know, a hostage taking murderer who attacks children.
Why on earth would Whitebeard, or anyone, be loyal to him?
It is pretty clear to me that Rocks being unable to get anyone to join him willingly is a sign of a serious flaw in his own personality, not in the rest of the crews. Pretty much every other leader, hero or villain, is able to inspire loyalty, including Blackbeard. Rocks can’t do it. If Luffy’s greatest ability is to turn everyone to his side, Rocks is the exact opposite.
Take aside all the hearsay stuff of towns being destroyed, etc that applies to both Roger and Rocks.
This is the very first thing we see Rocks do in the flashback.
Where exactly is the honour here? It’s psychotic behaviour. Especially since it’s following up from the brief snippet of Whitebeard chewing Rocks out for using his sword on a kid.
He may well be exactly like Teach. Taking a bunch of hostages and then killing an Admiral does not scream honourable combat to me. He is, from what we explicitly know, a hostage taking murderer who attacks children.
Why on earth would Whitebeard, or anyone, be loyal to him?
It is pretty clear to me that Rocks being unable to get anyone to join him willingly is a sign of a serious flaw in his own personality, not in the rest of the crews. Pretty much every other leader, hero or villain, is able to inspire loyalty, including Blackbeard. Rocks can’t do it. If Luffy’s greatest ability is to turn everyone to his side, Rocks is the exact opposite.
Rocks is nothing like Teach. He never used hostages against the admiral, that’s made up. More likely the admiral just wasn’t a challenge. Xebec respected Harald after a single clash and kept valuing loyalty the entire flashback, enough to make even a teen Kaido look bad next to him. Xebec was always shown as upfront and confrontational. The dude had the balls to infiltrate Mary Geoise solo and threaten Imu right at his face, and you’re still suggesting that he used underhanded tactics against an admiral? lol
Whitebeard valued the crew too. He was the first to raise suspicions about a traitor and he was furious when Shakky was kidnapped. Whitebeard followed him for over a decade without complaint, aside from when Xebec went too far with Loki. Whitebeard had no schemes, nothing to gain, and could have left any time. The fact he stayed says everything. He most likely thought of the crew as family.
Kaido knew Oden was too much of a fool, and his followers were too weak, to actually protect Wano from the World Government.
The biggest reason for this problem is actually Vegapunk: we saw this in Amazon Lily.
For years, it was simply not-feasible to attack areas like Amazon Lily because of the Calm Belt. You'd just piss off too many Sea Beasts, who seem to detest the Navy.
And nations like Wano were hard to invade, because of the Calm Belt/Red Line separating the seas. It was A LOT harder to gather ships in mass in the Grand Line pre-Vegapunk: one of the reasons the Grand Line is so lawless, is because the Calm Belt completely limited how many Marine ships the Marines could get into Paradise and the New World
Once Vegapunk created his Battleships with Seastone on the bottom? Guess what? Wano and Amazon Lily were on borrowed time.
The fleet we see at Egghead only could get their BECAUSE of Vegapunk's technology letting Marine vessels easily cross the Calm Belt.
The moment Kaido is beaten, an Admiral shows up.
Kaido chose to defend Wano from the WG because Wano was too weak to defend itself, and Kaido knew what would happen with Pluton.
Yamato's going to be very torn up finding out this information, IMO.
Can't wait for Kaido to get his focus, again.