Controversial General Political Discussion

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

you just admitted earlier homosexuality is unnatural like incest is unnatural, but your justification for it's "marriage" being legal is that other immoral shit like circuses and gambling (which should also be banned) are legal

Unnatural doesn't inherently mean immoral in any capacity
You'd have to explain why homosexuality is immoral unlike things like pedophilia or incest

 

[RyoQ]

and conversations like this always dance around the term natural, we have already seen him talk about "nature of X" bs, without substantiating what that nature is or how it is derived, because sex in humans clearly is linked alot to pleasure and not just reproduction

"it's also linked to pleasure, not reproduction"

LOL what the fuck is that pleasure for

does the body feel sexual pleasure just for it's own sake or is that pleasure (like all pleasures) ordered towards something beyond itself?

 

[Mathias]

What's your favorite scene in films with far-right wingers in it ?

Spoiler: actual spoilers

they all die within in a minute

 

[RyoQ]

Unnatural doesn't inherently mean immoral in any capacity
You'd have to explain why homosexuality is immoral unlike things like pedophilia or incest

except unnatural = immoral

which is why incest is immoral, because it's inherently unnatural

if your reasoning for incest being immoral is because of issues sometimes associated with it, then in situations where those issues aren't present, incest can sometimes be moral which was the issue I pointed out with your earlier logic

 

[Zenos7]

There are many diseases that can end up lead to death of people specially babies and kids because the lack of meat/chicken/fish ingestion. I'm not so sure about grown up adults but I heard many take supplements that are made of animals and hide that fact from their audience, talking about influencers.

all the supplements they need have vegan options as well.

 

[Mathias]

except unnatural = immoral

Log off from the internet my amish fella

 

[RyoQ]

Log off from the internet my amish fella

natural law ethics does not entail going and becoming amish you fucking idiot, technological progress is a natural end for intelligent beings like humans

 

[Zenos7]

People don't even understand what natural means. It means common. It is natural (common) for men to marry women. It is natural (common) for white to marry white. So by your logic we should ban interracial marriage too.

damn yall pulling a right-wing logiko on us

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this is something advocates of transgender say, but don't really mean. people say their gender isn't changing, but then they go and get hormonal treatment, change their name and how they dress

well, because they didnt choose the first name they had, right? so their name doesnt reflect their gender, because it was given by the parents. in that sense they legally change genders, but ideologically-wise they always were the same gender. and this is corroborated by actual science on brain functionality in transgenders

 

[RyoQ]

not going to reply to that coomer who i can see is ankle-biting me in the replies, no, "natural" does not mean what is common, it means what is what something is according to it's essence, which defines it's teleology (what it is meant to do)

 

[Zenos7]

you think only a small percent of transgenders and transgender defenders support transitioning?

also, it's not only sex changes, transgenders change their physical outward appearance (such as their clothes, their names) which doesn't make sense if we are to believe nothing changes or that gender is not something bodily

"sex change" is something people use colloquially maybe. but its actually called gender reassignment or gender affirming care. because people cant change their sex, but they can change their physical appearance for it to closer match their gender identity. because the mismatch between gender identity and their physical attributes is one of the factors in gender dysphoria.

 

[RyoQ]

well, because they didnt choose the first name they had, right? so their name doesnt reflect their gender, because it was given by the parents. in that sense they legally change genders, but ideologically-wise they always were the same gender. and this is corroborated by actual science on brain functionality in transgenders

no, that is a contradiction

why would a name reflect a gender? doesn't this imply gender has some biological or social genus?

actually, any external behavior changes associated with gender dysphoria contradict it. If transgender advocates were logically consistent, they would affirm one's gender but discourage changing names, changing their clothing, etc.

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"sex change" is something people use colloquially maybe. but its actually called gender reassignment or gender affirming care. because people cant change their sex, but they can change their physical appearance for it to closer match their gender identity. because the mismatch between gender identity and their physical attributes is one of the factors in gender dysphoria.

>is called "gender affirming care"
>changes their sexual biology

transgenderism is such a fucking contradiction, why the fuck would changing your sex affirm your gender identity if sex isn't gender

PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES are caused by your sex, if changing your PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES brings your gender into alignment, this means sex = gender

 

[Zenos7]

not going to reply to that coomer who i can see is ankle-biting me in the replies, no, "natural" does not mean what is common, it means what is what something is according to it's essence, which defines it's teleology (what it is meant to do)

congrats, human genitals are clearly designed to experience pleasure.

 

[BleakAsh]

because sex in humans clearly is linked alot to pleasure and not just reproduction, due to the very basic characteristics of our genitalia, so how come that part isnt also the nature of sexual relations in humans?

Why is the criteria for homosexuality being natrual premised on humping the same sex feeling good due to the innate nature of human genitalia.

Does that mean beastiality is natrual to human relations too if for instance a dog and a female both benefit from the interaction pleasure wise @Zenos7

 

[Zenos7]

America. Also why did you post that image of Trump endorsing Gays for Trump? do you also agree he is rather liberal on gay marriage?

i dont agree or disagree, its just the way it is.

does it depress you knowing that you wont ever make same sex marriage illegal again in america?

 

[RyoQ]

congrats, human genitals are clearly designed to experience pleasure.

what is that pleasure for?

is there some, idk, biological purpose associated with said pleasure or do we just have a need to feel sexually good just, you know, for it's own sake?

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i dont agree or disagree, its just the way it is.

Holy shit that fence is about to give way with how hard you're sitting on it. I'm asking if you disagree or agree, not how you personally feel about it

 

[Mathias]

"Whatabout the gays "

The manliest this thread has ever gotten

natural law ethics does not entail going and becoming amish you fucking idiot, technological progress is a natural end for intelligent beings like humans

I mean, lots of crack-heads think that the gays were invented in a lab. Sounds like tech progress to me



I only read scientists who take LSD pills btw

what is that pleasure for?

is there some, idk, biological purpose associated with said pleasure or do we just have a need to feel sexually good just, you know, for it's own sake?

What's the purpose of the need associated to get fucked in the ass ?

Are you gonna make a baby outta your asshole ? OR IS YOUR ASSHOLE DEMANDING DICKS FOR PLEASURE ?

 

[RyoQ]

Why is the criteria for homosexuality being natrual premised on humping the same sex feeling good due to the innate nature of human genitalia.

Does that mean beastiality is natrual to human relations too if for instance a dog and a female both benefit from the interaction pleasure wise @Zenos7

Hey, it makes them feel pleasure, pleasure is an end in of itself right so it's good


It is cooked what their reasoning entails when you take it to their logical conclusion. Just like Monster Zolo said a relationship is moral as long as it's between two consenting adults + is not physically harmful, even though there are incestuous relationships that would meet this criteria from time to time

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

"Whatabout the gays "

The manliest this thread has ever gotten




I mean, lots of crack-heads think that the gays were invented in a lab. Sounds like tech progress to me



I only read scientists who take LSD pills btw



What's the purpose of the need associated to get fucked in the ass ?

Are you gonna make a baby outta your asshole ? OR IS YOUR ASSHOLE DEMANDING DICKS FOR PLEASURE ?

We never do anything else for pleasure
We don't drink alcohol
Play video games
Smoke cigarettes
Gamble
Fuck multiple women/men
Etc.
And I imagine if we did do any of that, Ryo would also protest against all of that since he hates anything that's unnatural and "just done for pleasure"

 

[Zenos7]

you use nature = in the wild, I use nature = essence of a thing

homosexuality occurs in the wild, but it is contrary to the essence of human nature because human sexuality is ordered towards heterosexual actions not homosexual ones

if you want to argue it's natural because chimps do it, that is YOU appealing to nature, and chimps do many fucked up things that we would not say is okay

slow down a little, you arent keeping up.

i literally said appealing to nature is fallacious, and presented an EVEN IF IT WAS NOT scenario.


So you basically mean it as "common", because thats exactly how you explain it, despite disagreeing with the other guy saying it means "common". interesting, to say the least.

but well, yeah, that definition of natural is definitely not one many use, so i thought of the more regular usages of the term.

 

[RyoQ]

I mean, lots of crack-heads think that the gays were invented in a lab. Sounds like tech progress to me

Wtf are you talking about? i think you're a crackhead

What's the purpose of the need associated to get fucked in the ass ?

physical desire that i feel = i am meant to do it is your logic now?