this sounds like its coming out of your ass. "denying marriage to same sex couples" would only ever apply to government officials then? it doesnt have anything to do with you. laws preventing you from discriminating people based on their sexual orientation are separate to the topic we are talking about.
it wouldn't apply to me, but the effect it has applies to the society at large because marriage is a a public and social action, it is not merely a private vow

if two homosexuals publically have a wedding and everyone in the crowd is sitting there clapping hands, that is an act of public support for it for example
 
Well I'm not some goofy ass Mormon so I don't know what that is. Lol
it's when someone has people basically control them and lift them into their partner's private parts to make them have sex without them actually doing it themselves
Little hard to explain honestly but the gist of it is that the people aren't actually moving on their own they just have people moving them into eachother to simulate sex
 
it's when someone has people basically control them and lift them into their partner's private parts to make them have sex without them actually doing it themselves
Little hard to explain honestly but the gist of it is that the people aren't actually moving on their own they just have people moving them into eachother to simulate sex
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I knew Mormons were freaks. This is just insane

Alright I doubt any Mormons actually do that tho.
 
it wouldn't apply to me, but the effect it has applies to the society at large because marriage is a a public and social action, it is not merely a private vow

if two homosexuals publically have a wedding and everyone in the crowd is sitting there clapping hands, that is an act of public support for it for example
Idk about the marriages you have seen, but all i have ever been to were private events with a set list of invited people, not open to the public.

And still no, it just means the crowd supports it. Since its invited people, they would support it even if you would manage to make it illegal as well.
 
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your argument is that gay-marriage being legalized doesn't normalize gay-marriage

King of teeth-pulling during debates goes to you sir.
no my argument is that legality is not about the state advocating for something, which is true, so you have to resort to this kind of post.
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according to basic biology, the twist here is that in this context heterosexual isnt referring to sexual orientations, just the fact that the human species has two sexes that are involved in sexual reproduction.

if obviously cant refer to sexual orientation though, because humans have various sexual orientations besides heterosexuality
 
no my argument is that legality is not about the state advocating for something, which is true, so you have to resort to this kind of post.
what's the point of your argument?

my point is that it being legal is bad because it normalizes it, whether the state "advocates" for it can be argued. It cannot be argued that something being legal does normalize it though
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according to humans being sexually dimorphic

sexual dimorphism entails heterosexuality, necessarily
 
what's the point of your argument?

my point is that it being legal is bad because it normalizes it, whether the state "advocates" for it can be argued. It cannot be argued that something being legal does normalize it though
im adressing your point that the state legalizing it means the state views it as good and/or wants to portray it as good.

im not talking about whether it reduces stigma/increases support in society.

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so the women have to be part of the foreplay as well, like tickling the nipples of the men, and since that is their very own reproductive ritual resulting in 2 men each impregnating a woman, them fucking each other in the ass was perfectly fine all along.
no, they aren't apart of it

you're trying to find a loophole but it fails because homosexual actions cannot be foreplay because men cannot get pregnant, so any sexual activity between men cannot possibly be ordered towards reproduction and they are just using each other's bodies for pleasure
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im adressing your point that the state legalizing it means the state views it as good and/or wants to portray it as good.
the effect is that it is normalizes said thing

im not interested in arguing whether the state itself has an opinion, although i would argue it does insofar as the state has a will, but that isn't really necessary for my point
 
no, they aren't apart of it

you're trying to find a loophole but it fails because homosexual actions cannot be foreplay because men cannot get pregnant, so any sexual activity between men cannot possibly be ordered towards reproduction and they are just using each other's bodies for pleasure
i mean its not really that far off the loopholes you yourself presented lol. im just messing with the absurdity of it all
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im not interested in arguing whether the state itself has an opinion, although i would argue it does insofar as the state has a will, but that isn't really necessary for my point
i mean that was your point.

if it's legal = the state endorses it as a "good"
if gay marriage is legal by the state, that means the state considers it good

if the inverse was true (it was considered bad), the state would forbid it
Hard drugs are illegal because the state considers them bad

Smoking and drinking are legal because in moderation they are considered "good"
or at least one of many points. and the one i adressed.
 
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