Every round of fighting means mass civilian deaths, destruction of infrastructure, and further humanitarian collapse.
Reducing war to a tactical waiting game erases the real cost to human lives.
There is no war, it's a colonization, an appartheid and a genocide.
The only choice are to resist
or to be destroyed Einstein.
To him, all these are convenient sacrifices necessary to achieve what he seek - destruction of Capitalism (Israel)
Nah, that would not even start to reduce the problem of Capitalism LMAO. Really, you do not get what I'm sayin at all.
If you have questions, go for it, but if you gonna listen 1/10 argument and regurgitate it badly through nonsense like this.. Just stay in bed bra
This is so unrealistic and fantasy driven that it steers away from practical solution and current balance of power, that is Israel is backed by USA.
Yup, but that doesn't change the solution.
You are talking about making peace between
an active oppressor and the oppressed.
This is pure idealism, pure nonsense, pure fantazy as you put it. And it's completely unethical on top of everything else. You do not care about people, you simply are looking at a conflict you do not understand and try to find the best confused middle ground to find a solution as if we were talking here about a regular conflict between two major and equally powerfull nation.
You are completely invizibilizing the situation of domination of Israel over Palestinians thus completely promoting the colonist and oppressive rethoric of this
appartheid country.
Also, any strategy that depends on annihilating an entire state is morally indefensible. A peace that requires someone else’s eradication isn’t peace at all.
I think there is a missunderstanding here.
A one state solution do NOT mean the eradications of the population. It means the integration of the population into a one state solution, simple as that.
Israel is an illegitimate state that resides on stolen land, it's also an appartheid and genocidal state. This state must go and let the room for a complete state of Palestine where Palestinian and current Israelian will live in peace.
This is the only real ethical, solid and anti-colonial solution that can work on the long run.
He suggested the peace should be used just so the “population can eat” until they are ready to strike again is deeply cynical. It reduces civilians to pawns, their survival seen not as an end in itself but a temporary means to sustain armed struggle. That is the opposite of moral concern.
A bit cold, yes. But a wise strategy nonetheless. I think you do not understand what it means or takes to resist.
You have a highly naive, idealized and completely delusionnal take on war and conflict. A resistance is not a game of Teletubbie where you can simply think without looking at strategies to win mate. There is a people that is oppressed by a COLONIZATION FUCKING COUNTRY, the ennemy will not suddenly because good guyz because you lend off your weapons.
Plus here, you are the only one here who is dehumanizing Palestinians to see them as pawn by denying their agency.
Including the population into your strategy to make sure people eat is not a dehumanization, it's the only wise choice to make and the best thing to do.
Time to wake up sleeping beauty. You are not living in a perfect world.
I will stand by what i said. Logiko has no ethical foundation.
He doesn't really care about Palestinians sufferings....he cares about destruction of capitalism.
Do not talk about ethics, when you are spreading the rethoric of the oppressors of Palestinians at the moment.
There are Leftist out there who wants this war to stop so that Palestinians can get aid, rehabilitation and all the help they need to rise - which includes holding Israel accountable and possibly two states.
Which is exactly what I want too. I'm just looking beyond your idealized framework of a two state solution where Palestinian will be subjegated in enclaves and restrained chunks of lands and where Israel will CONTINUE the colonization, the control, the oppression and the appartheid in their OWN illegitimate country or even in the land Palestinians themselves.
On this conflict, you have the look of a child who don't want anyone to die
I have the look of someone who KNOWS the principle of colonization and someone
who KNOWS that the oppressor will not stop just because you ask nicely.
But for Logiko, he seeks total destruction of Israel to have one state of both Israel and Palestine, despite knowing they have bad history and it will lead to civil war (but to him, it's necessary sacrifice they should continue to endure ignoring the realities)
Why are there conflicts in the first place? Ask yourself this question first, you might understand why a one state solution is not only the only viable solution, but the best solution.
There is no reason for war to happen in a country where the necessary needs in term of material condition are met for all people.
A one state solution does not mean that there will not be any transitionnal period. It takes time for peace to arrive and for institutions to be created.
Again : Your vision is idealistic, you are completely negating the relationship of domination between Israel and Palestine at the moment
and the material needs of BOTH populations
Partitions do not work well. They create conflict and war, what needs to happen is a slow process to a complete and democratic country in the region including BOTH Palestinian and current Israelian.
You do not have the right to question my motivations. Especially when you are spreading the rethorics of oppressors and you are the one here ignoring the material reality of the world and said conflict.
I'm a MATERIALIST and you are an IDEALIST.
Learn from that.
