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Post timeskip One Piece is objectively not very good. This is very easy to prove.

Skypiea which was an arc so long, I dropped One Piece on my first read/watch, is shorter than Egghead, which is like a transition arc post timeskip, and genuinely feels like a short arc for post skip standards. Let me repeat that. Egghead would be the single longest arc pre timeskip.

If that doesn't tell you how bad post skip One Piece has been....
Its good not great. Skypieas problem it had a boring middle section like most post ts arcs but when one piece is at climax its peak. Katakuri vs Luffy Luffy vs Kaido Zou theyare all great. Like i said the problem with one piece it has too much going on at the sam time this is why the arcs are longer but still enjoyable. If post ts wasnt fgood i assure you most people here would drop the series
 
He's got Crocodile, Doffy and kinda Enel in his pocket to help against the many villains he's shit on.

And Kubo has Aizen (objecitvely bad antagonist), a broken final arc with dozens of half developed villains
And Kishi has Obito

So there's at least some room to compare but god damn, at least Kishi/Kubo knew when to keep their villains threatening and when not to shit on them.
He's also got Teach.
 
He's got Crocodile, Doffy and kinda Enel in his pocket to help against the many villains he's shit on.

And Kubo has Aizen (objecitvely bad antagonist), a broken final arc with dozens of half developed villains
And Kishi has Obito

So there's at least some room to compare but god damn, at least Kishi/Kubo knew when to keep their villains threatening and when not to shit on them.
I'd argue Kishi did the worst thing when he shit on madara for kaguya

Oda has a chance to outdo that tho
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
Not at all. AOT had arguably the worst ending for anything to ever exist. It is such utter horseshit, that even rewatching the series feels like a waste (that's mostly cause AOT's draw was the mystery).

What makes it worse is that If Isayama didn't fumble the ending, nothing would be touching AOT as a story. Berserk, Kingdom etc. would look like Demon Slayer next to it.
It was so damn great for much of its course

such a shame

but peaks are above lows for me

I still rate AOT overall fucking high

like for Game of thrones. The 4th first seasons were so damn great I still think it changed the game even if it became lamer and lamer later down the line
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
Funnily enough I view OG>:re basically the same as this take
That's a really odd take. :re was solid, but it got kind of wacky near the end. The power levels and the writing definitely took a hit, you could tell Ishida was burning out. He even admitted it, and it was being reflected in the stories quality. Still imo, it didn't fall off a cliff. I still consider the series the best seinen I've read from beginning to end.
 
Oda really doesn't give a shit about 99% of his villains and consistently treats them as non-threats in this story. Arguably the worst of the Big 3 when it comes to villains.
It's feeling like very power rangers/saturday morning cartoon type writing now. But he gave so little writing for his villains pre TS but at least they had their personalities, were actually competent, unstoppable, terrifying threats too.

Doflamingo felt like lightning in a bottle.

And Kubo has Aizen (objecitvely bad antagonist),
Finally someone says it lmao.

 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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I'd argue Kishi did the worst thing when he shit on madara for kaguya

Oda has a chance to outdo that tho
Madara's only looked at fondly because Kaguya came into the picture. Reading it weekly, most people were tired of Madara long before he became the Juubi Jinchuuriki.

Tho not properly foreshadowing Kaguya before hand was a mistake, she's only hinted at about 26 chapters before her debut. Oda's done a better job with Imu in that account.
 
He's got Crocodile, Doffy and kinda Enel in his pocket to help against the many villains he's shit on.

And Kubo has Aizen (objecitvely bad antagonist), a broken final arc with dozens of half developed villains
And Kishi has Obito

So there's at least some room to compare but god damn, at least Kishi/Kubo knew when to keep their villains threatening and when not to shit on them.
Even Doffy got undermined powerwise because of Fattora on his island/arc, which was kind of an awkward situation.

Nardo only really got there with Obito taking so many L's, and Bleach generally wasn't so bad about this I don't think.
 
It was so damn great for much of its course

such a shame

but peaks are above lows for me

I still rate AOT overall fucking high

like for Game of thrones. The 4th first seasons were so damn great I still think it changed the game even if it became lamer and lamer later down the line
Nah dogshit endings sour the whole series

Cause you can't even rewatch or re read cause you know all that awaits you is literal shit

Aot and Got both fumbled so fucking hard
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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It's feeling like very power rangers/saturday morning cartoon type writing now. But he gave so little writing for his villains pre TS but at least they had their personalities, were actually competent, unstoppable, terrifying threats too.

Doflamingo felt like lightning in a bottle.
I swear some episodes of Kids Next Door had better usage of their villains than what Oda's doing.

And that's not even talking about the travesty that is the Straw Hat Pirates
 
Not at all. AOT had arguably the worst ending for anything to ever exist. It is such utter horseshit, that even rewatching the series feels like a waste (that's mostly cause AOT's draw was the mystery).

What makes it worse is that If Isayama didn't fumble the ending, nothing would be touching AOT as a story. Berserk, Kingdom etc. would look like Demon Slayer next to it.

Lmao you are not gonna like my opinion on the ending
 
Madara's only looked at fondly because Kaguya came into the picture. Reading it weekly, most people were tired of Madara long before he became the Juubi Jinchuuriki.

Tho not properly foreshadowing Kaguya before hand was a mistake, she's only hinted at about 26 chapters before her debut. Oda's done a better job with Imu in that account.
He shoulda just finished with madara. Then borito wouldn't have happened.
 
Madara's only looked at fondly because Kaguya came into the picture. Reading it weekly, most people were tired of Madara long before he became the Juubi Jinchuuriki.
100% me too definitely lmao.

I hate the Juubi so much too.

Kaguya might have been better if she were saved for Boruto or something and given actual proper buildup. Also a chance to to make changes to her character before she gets involved.
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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Even Doffy got undermined powerwise because of Fattora on his island/arc, which was kind of an awkward situation.

Nardo only really got there with Obito taking so many L's, and Bleach generally wasn't so bad about this I don't think.
Bleach just has bad villains in general, Kubo spends half his time on symbolism and forgets he's got a story to write.

Doffy being outshined by Sabo and Fujitora in his own arc annoyed me at the time. Now I'm indifferent to it but it does cut down on the tension when you know there's powerful characters who can either go toe to toe with Doffy (Sabo) or outright crush him (Glassjaw).
 
It was so damn great for much of its course

such a shame

but peaks are above lows for me

I still rate AOT overall fucking high

like for Game of thrones. The 4th first seasons were so damn great I still think it changed the game even if it became lamer and lamer later down the line
GoT :josad: The problem with its ending was it wa rushed and nightwalkers were done bad overall. S7 was worse than S8 btw.
 
That's a really odd take. :re was solid, but it got kind of wacky near the end. The power levels and the writing definitely took a hit, you could tell Ishida was burning out. He even admitted it, and it was being reflected in the stories quality. Still imo, it didn't fall off a cliff. I still consider the series the best seinen I've read from beginning to end.
Disagree with the writing taking a hit, and honestly TG is probably the series where I paid attention to power levels the least so I guess it wasn't really that important to me.
 
Not at all. AOT had arguably the worst ending for anything to ever exist. It is such utter horseshit, that even rewatching the series feels like a waste (that's mostly cause AOT's draw was the mystery).

What makes it worse is that If Isayama didn't fumble the ending, nothing would be touching AOT as a story. Berserk, Kingdom etc. would look like Demon Slayer next to it.
Do enlighten us with your ideas for a more suiting ending for AoT, please
 
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