Controversial Bleach verse > Dragonball verse
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Well if we're going to be this pedantic, I didn't actually say that a Shinigami was a ghost and neither did the post I was quoting.
The question in the post pondered whether Hakai can erase a soul. Ghosts are generally considered to be the disembodied souls of dead people. Therefore Hakai being shown to destroy a ghost shows that it can destroy souls.
As far as I'm aware, everyone in Bleach has a soul. The living, the dead and the corrupted. So an attack that destroys souls would be capable of harming/destroying any Bleach character.
The question in the post pondered whether Hakai can erase a soul. Ghosts are generally considered to be the disembodied souls of dead people. Therefore Hakai being shown to destroy a ghost shows that it can destroy souls.
As far as I'm aware, everyone in Bleach has a soul. The living, the dead and the corrupted. So an attack that destroys souls would be capable of harming/destroying any Bleach character.
Tbh, not too familiar with superman's abilities, but my point is that we wouldn't consider logias invincible to characters without Haki, since that's kind of something that would only work in that specific universe, it's kind of unfair to consider that.
What people are saying is that when it comes to overall stats, DBZ clears Bleach and the rest of the HST hard.
What people are saying is that when it comes to overall stats, DBZ clears Bleach and the rest of the HST hard.
It shook the "Heaven and Earth of the three realms", verbatim stated, so the entire realms, not just the planets.
Doesn't need to have destroyed anything, shaking three dimensions can still be quantified.
There wasn't even a single fallacy in my post, perhaps you're unfamiliar with what a fallacy is?
Solos DBZ and debatably 99% of DBS, though I'm content with the former.
Nappa's boss, Buu Saga Vegeta with all eight fingers and two thumbs gets passive aura diffed by a single Royal Guard, let me know when any DBZ character affects three realms at once instead of blowing up a measly planet or moon.
Doesn't need to have destroyed anything, shaking three dimensions can still be quantified.
There wasn't even a single fallacy in my post, perhaps you're unfamiliar with what a fallacy is?
Solos DBZ and debatably 99% of DBS, though I'm content with the former.
Nappa's boss, Buu Saga Vegeta with all eight fingers and two thumbs gets passive aura diffed by a single Royal Guard, let me know when any DBZ character affects three realms at once instead of blowing up a measly planet or moon.
Universes being shaken, far superior to fodder feats like blowing up mere planets or moons as DBZ characters do.
Universal at minimum, multiversal depending on how you scale the cosmology.
Senjumaru wipes out DBZ just by existing, I'm not kidding, shaking the three realms was the minimum of her power just from being there lol.
Universal at minimum, multiversal depending on how you scale the cosmology.
Senjumaru wipes out DBZ just by existing, I'm not kidding, shaking the three realms was the minimum of her power just from being there lol.
We don’t know the true extent of these realms or worlds, so throwing them into multiversal or universal is just highballing.
You’re just wanking! It shows nothing beyond the Living World and the other places being shaken.
Either way, we’ll find out if they’re just worlds (a planet and such) or actual universes in the final part that’s coming out.
‘Realm’ or ‘world’ could just be referring to planet Earth, which is what really matters in Bleach (only the Living World).
If in the final part they actually show the true COSMOS, I’ll take my L.
You’re just wanking! It shows nothing beyond the Living World and the other places being shaken.
Either way, we’ll find out if they’re just worlds (a planet and such) or actual universes in the final part that’s coming out.
‘Realm’ or ‘world’ could just be referring to planet Earth, which is what really matters in Bleach (only the Living World).
If in the final part they actually show the true COSMOS, I’ll take my L.
maybe to certain series but not bleach they can still harm logia users like akainu because they are not harming their physical bodies but the soul directly using their zanpakutos something that brook could probably do in the one piece verse.
dbz doesn't clear they have no way of clearing whereas shinigami especially lieutenant and captains or above have more ways of doing so. Overall stats in what exactly example in detail. Unless certain db characters have some sort of spiritual power or techniques they are shit out of luck.
destructive feats don't effect spiritual beings especially if they are using physical matter to fight them. Also blowing up the planet would just end up killing raditz in the long run because he can't breathe in the vacuum of space.
dbz doesn't clear they have no way of clearing whereas shinigami especially lieutenant and captains or above have more ways of doing so. Overall stats in what exactly example in detail. Unless certain db characters have some sort of spiritual power or techniques they are shit out of luck.
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destructive feats don't effect spiritual beings especially if they are using physical matter to fight them. Also blowing up the planet would just end up killing raditz in the long run because he can't breathe in the vacuum of space.
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Except we kinda do know what true extent of these realms are. The World of the Living represents our IRL universe made up of physical matter (Kishi), and then you have the Soul Society made up of spiritual matter (Reishi,which is stronger).
Kishi and Reishi can't mix, so when they travel to the SS, they are spiritual beings there, even the Quincies hiding in the shadows. This is probably the biggest reason why the World of the Living refers to the universe. Japan, Earth, Solar System, Milky Way, etc.
It would make no logical sense for the world of the living to be just a planet. The only realm you can argue is Hueco Mundo, since it's just supposed to be infinite sand, but we still don't know much of the origins of it.
For the story, we don't need to see other planets or even other countries. It takes place in Japan, the Seireitei, HM, and the Royal Palace. We're not going to see Saturn or Mars since the story doesn't need to involve them, but based on their statements we can come to a reasonable conclusion that the Living World is the entire universe.
Chad who was so lacking in Spiritual power, he couldn't properly see Spirits at the time, still had enough to punch them or slam them with lamp posts.
It's constantly emphasized that Ki in Dragon Ball is life force / spiritual power, the most obvious case being every time a character dies or is about to die, their ki is sensed as vanishing or no longer able to be detected.
And this is without even excluding how Vegeta brought back as a Spirit in Buu Saga could still be interacted with by anyone and was in very real danger of dying permanently should he be killed again
Or the fact that "Spirits" in Bleach are a pretty vague and questionable thing to call them, with the whole ghost aspect of them pretty much dropped after the first arc to where we now have "spirits" that have vital organs and can die from blood loss, injury, or even disease.
So going by Bleach logic, just about anyone relevant in DBZ will have no problem interacting with souls in Bleach thanks to Ki
It's constantly emphasized that Ki in Dragon Ball is life force / spiritual power, the most obvious case being every time a character dies or is about to die, their ki is sensed as vanishing or no longer able to be detected.
And this is without even excluding how Vegeta brought back as a Spirit in Buu Saga could still be interacted with by anyone and was in very real danger of dying permanently should he be killed again
Or the fact that "Spirits" in Bleach are a pretty vague and questionable thing to call them, with the whole ghost aspect of them pretty much dropped after the first arc to where we now have "spirits" that have vital organs and can die from blood loss, injury, or even disease.
So going by Bleach logic, just about anyone relevant in DBZ will have no problem interacting with souls in Bleach thanks to Ki
chad was hardly doing any damage towards that hollow at the time because of the lack of reiatsu.
haki is also spiritual power/energy doesn't mean it functions like reiryoku in any capacity otherwise Luffy could have harm and damage Zeus and Prometheus souls directly.
he's not a spirit then if thing from the normal plain can harm him.. Spirits have a different anatomy all together.
ghost and shinigami are two different spiritual beings though.
regular physical attacks won't harm them unless they have spiritual techniques especially those who have higher reiatsu such as lieutenants and captains.
haki is also spiritual power/energy doesn't mean it functions like reiryoku in any capacity otherwise Luffy could have harm and damage Zeus and Prometheus souls directly.
he's not a spirit then if thing from the normal plain can harm him.. Spirits have a different anatomy all together.
ghost and shinigami are two different spiritual beings though.
regular physical attacks won't harm them unless they have spiritual techniques especially those who have higher reiatsu such as lieutenants and captains.
Because they can withstand his punches.
Saiyan Saga Goku alone would atomize anyone in Bleach with a finger flick.
And what exactly meets your criteria to argue Bleach’s generic use of spirital energy as being this special snowflake that no other setting can match?
Ki in Dragon Ball is literally ones life force and soul and there’s numerous times characters have interacted with spiritual beings with their Ki to argue they’d have no trouble doing the same with Clorox
Just like Bleach “spirits” dies like anyone else if you cut off their head or otherwise fatally injure them.
Your hypocrisy and double standards are astounding.
Or should I bring up Ukitake, a spirit literally dying of Tuberculosis had his parents not offered him up to the Soul King’s right arm
Both Spirits
Nope, as shown with Chad, simply having spiritual energy even slightly above an average human is more than to smack souls in Bleach around with normal punches
Saiyan Saga Goku alone would atomize anyone in Bleach with a finger flick.
And what exactly meets your criteria to argue Bleach’s generic use of spirital energy as being this special snowflake that no other setting can match?
Ki in Dragon Ball is literally ones life force and soul and there’s numerous times characters have interacted with spiritual beings with their Ki to argue they’d have no trouble doing the same with Clorox
Just like Bleach “spirits” dies like anyone else if you cut off their head or otherwise fatally injure them.
Your hypocrisy and double standards are astounding.
Or should I bring up Ukitake, a spirit literally dying of Tuberculosis had his parents not offered him up to the Soul King’s right arm
Both Spirits
Nope, as shown with Chad, simply having spiritual energy even slightly above an average human is more than to smack souls in Bleach around with normal punches