Dude Juubi is low-key a planet level character not some nerdy VS-Battle hyped never destroyed an Island but scales to Planet Level planet level character.
Naruto Scaling runs very high.
Juubi is at the very bottom of tier that can at least destroy moons and Juubi was too much for Hashirama to handle and Hashirama dog walks Madara who is bringing down Meteors.
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Unless we start applying no limit fallacy of "You can not hurt Kaido without advanced Haki etc"
Kaido is more comparable to nine tails. Not taking flame bagua, Kaido and nine tails are on same scale and with Flame bagua Kaido is stronger than nine tails.
Kaido is more comparable to nine tails. Not taking flame bagua, Kaido and nine tails are on same scale and with Flame bagua Kaido is stronger than nine tails.
No, I wouldn't even start the argument with "DC =/= AP". That's too cheap. AP and DC are the same form but AP is used as a measurement for DC if characters get to hurt other characters who took or destroyed X things.
I think this definition isn't wrong, right? Otherwise, 8th Gate Guy would not look that strong if it's just about pure visual destruction.
Furthermore, why do you think Juubi completely obliterates in DC? I think I even posted some evidence when it was not the case at all. We cannot say Juubi comfortably scales to all the moon creators or destroyers because fucking Juubito was outperforming Juubi in almost everything and Juubito was a complete scrub to 1 Rinnegan alive Madara. Naruto characters only truly reached god tier status when Madara absorbed the shinjuu tree. So I am a bit iffy when it comes to scaling Juubi to moon level.
As for the feats, I think this post explains enough:
People pretend Bajrang Gun doesn't matter to an explosion destroying a mountain range mainly because of Bajrang Gun's size but y'all fail to realise that we're talking about an ISLAND SIZED PUNCH; it releases loooots of kinetic energy to only make such large amount of mass move. Luffy was straight up punching Kaido with speed as if he's punching normally. It's totally different and if it hit Wano, it would create even more damage than the panels below, which I'll post now:
This is what Bajrang Gun managed to do without touching the country:
It created a hole which is essentially the same size of this one:
(Ignore the pixelscaling, it's just about the image)
So again, Juubi was destroying more mountains on screen but it didn't puncture a whole ass hole which goes to the lava chambers of the country.
Plus, the mountains on Wano are gigantic large. Some were even comparable to Zunesha iirc.
Even if we disregard all of that, Sickbeard moved tectonic plates and his earthquakes reached islands several hundreds of miles away from MF. Kaido is significantly stronger than that WB.
Puncture Wille, Bajrang Gun and Blazing Bagua all put Juubi's Bijuu Damas to shame.
But I honestly don't know if I can even take your takes seriously because I'm not sure if you're underestimating OP feats based on all the weekly agenda shitposting and you forgot most stuff or if you are just biased. I mean, you used to compare Juubi's Bijuu Damas to Mother Flame which is insane:
Lol, you are just pulling things outta your ass. Kishimoto doesn't waste panel time by drawing detailled landscapes when the explosion happens - he bothered to draw several panels of different scenery shots when 2nd form Juubi fired his bijuu damas.
First one was nearby the huge mountain range which caused an earthquake on the battlefield, second one was fired in the ocean (which didn't even penetrate the planet), another one was fired at a village and didn't completely obliterate its existence like Mother Flame did to Lulucia Kingdom - a country vastly larger than that village.
The last one was fired at the headquarters which is positioned in the borders of the nearby country. Guess what, the alliance didn't even feel the earthquakes.
3rd form Juubi's largest bijuu dama caused this explosion:
They merely felt the shockwave which is nowhere comparable to what Mother Flame did to the planet and unliked your washed up silly excuses about "Nah, *gurg* Kishimoto didn't *gurg* simply bother that *gurg* much...", it caused this much destruction:
This weapon is one of the reasons this world was destroyed two times and the current world only lives in millions of islands because everything else got swallowed by the sea lmao.
Honestly, this was one of your dumbest posts in this battledome.
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Btw, 2nd form Juubi's bijuu dama feats in question:
The thing is, it's all about scaling at the end. If you believe Juubi is a god tier, it destroys Kaido. However, I disagree with this scaling, so there is clearly something to debate about. When it comes to feats, it's quite obvious.
Additionally, this are feats of an arc which is not even included in the final saga. Kaido is a top tier who can be scaled to top tiers showing even better feats in the future, you realise that right? Better hope some characters won't show good feats in Elbaf because this country can quickly elevate OP verse to a new level, no joke.
No, I wouldn't even start the argument with "DC =/= AP". That's too cheap. AP and DC are the same form but AP is used as a measurement for DC if characters get to hurt other characters who took or destroyed X things.
I think this definition isn't wrong, right? Otherwise, 8th Gate Guy would not look that strong if it's just about pure visual destruction.
Furthermore, why do you think Juubi completely obliterates in DC? I think I even posted some evidence when it was not the case at all. We cannot say Juubi comfortably scales to all the moon creators or destroyers because fucking Juubito was outperforming Juubi in almost everything and Juubito was a complete scrub to 1 Rinnegan alive Madara. Naruto characters only truly reached god tier status when Madara absorbed the shinjuu tree. So I am a bit iffy when it comes to scaling Juubi to moon level.
As for the feats, I think this post explains enough:
Puncture Wille, Bajrang Gun and Blazing Bagua all put Juubi's Bijuu Damas to shame.
But I honestly don't know if I can even take your takes seriously because I'm not sure if you're underestimating OP feats based on all the weekly agenda shitposting and you forgot most stuff or if you are just biased. I mean, you used to compare Juubi's Bijuu Damas to Mother Flame which is insane:
The thing is, it's all about scaling at the end. If you believe Juubi is a god tier, it destroys Kaido. However, I disagree with this scaling, so there is clearly something to debate about. When it comes to feats, it's quite obvious.
Additionally, this are feats of an arc which is not even included in the final saga. Kaido is a top tier who can be scaled to top tiers showing even better feats in the future, you realise that right? Better hope some characters won't show good feats in Elbaf because this country can quickly elevate OP verse to a new level, no joke.
I disagree about this part because Blazing Bagua and Bajrang Gun are crazy DC bombs as well. Look up at my previous posts for example. It might not initially cover that many mountains like Juubi's Bijuu Damas or Gyuki's and Kurama's combined Big Bijuu Dama but it goes through an entire country to the lavachambers. Their clash caused a huge shockwave traversing hundreds of kms (I have to find the source again tho, this was official btw).
We have Sickbeard who's moving tectonic plates and causes large mountain sized tsunamis reaching cloud range. His earthquakes split the entire sea and several islands felt the destruction.
Then we have Kuzan casually creating a small ice continent inbetween 3 islands or so.
Lastly, we have Chinjao splitting an ice island which was as hard as steel, nothing was able to break or even scratch the ground but Chinjao's signature weapon.
Look at Nusjuro who managed to cut an entire island very casually.
One Piece has ultimately the advantage over Naruto when it comes to the entire world since this world has millions of islands; many are small but many are also large, if not even highly gigantified. Wano and Onigashima are examples. Elbaf is an even better example. So this is quite a large world.
I disagree about this part because Blazing Bagua and Bajrang Gun are crazy DC bombs as well. Look up at my previous posts for example. It might not initially cover that many mountains like Juubi's Bijuu Damas or Gyuki's and Kurama's combined Big Bijuu Dama but it goes through an entire country to the lavachambers. Their clash caused a huge shockwave traversing hundreds of kms (I have to find the source again tho, this was official btw).
We have Sickbeard who's moving tectonic plates and causes large mountain sized tsunamis reaching cloud range. His earthquakes split the entire sea and several islands felt the destruction.
Then we have Kuzan casually creating a small ice continent inbetween 3 islands or so.
Lastly, we have Chinjao splitting an ice island which was as hard as steel, nothing was able to break or even scratch the ground but Chinjao's signature weapon.
Look at Nusjuro who managed to cut an entire island very casually.
One Piece has ultimately the advantage over Naruto when it comes to the entire world since this world has millions of islands; many are small but many are also large, if not even highly gigantified. Wano and Onigashima are examples. Elbaf is an even better example. So this is quite a large world.
Imu bomb is planet lvl.
It effected the entire One Piece world. @Sentinel is right.
Kaido is huge like a mountain, good luck to stop a attack who send something this huge deep into the core(lavachambers) and almost destroying a entire country.
Bijuu dama only leaves a surface damage, it never complete nuked land/mass like what Law or Luffy did.
Imu bomb is planet lvl.
It effected the entire One Piece world. @Sentinel is right.
Kaido is huge like a mountain, good luck to stop a attack who send something this huge deep into the core(lavachambers) and almost destroying a entire country.
Bijuu dama only leaves a surface damage, it never complete nuked land/mass like what Law or Luffy did.
Yeah Radditz is legit a planet lvl character.
Something neither One Piece or Naruto has right now.
Kenpachi as example never destroyed anything beyond "meteor" yet he would wish the floor with most top tier/god tier naruto characters.
DC is one thing, Ap the another.
Some charactee doesn't need to destroy a planet to be planet lvl.
Ap in the end is also important.
The energy which Imu ancient weapon did>anything we saw in Naruto.
And Luffy punch is a crazy, that shit has the energy to destroy everything if he hits it right.
Alone the fact Kaido pushed the same attack to extrem high diff shows how strong Kaido is.
And the immortal argument doesn't work anymore too since OP has their own immortal characters who can be killed by special haki.
You guys underestimate OP.
Juubi is going to win but One Piece is not far away anymore to Naruto.
I disagree about this part because Blazing Bagua and Bajrang Gun are crazy DC bombs as well. Look up at my previous posts for example. It might not initially cover that many mountains like Juubi's Bijuu Damas or Gyuki's and Kurama's combined Big Bijuu Dama but it goes through an entire country to the lavachambers. Their clash caused a huge shockwave traversing hundreds of kms (I have to find the source again tho, this was official btw).
We have Sickbeard who's moving tectonic plates and causes large mountain sized tsunamis reaching cloud range. His earthquakes split the entire sea and several islands felt the destruction.
Then we have Kuzan casually creating a small ice continent inbetween 3 islands or so.
Lastly, we have Chinjao splitting an ice island which was as hard as steel, nothing was able to break or even scratch the ground but Chinjao's signature weapon.
Look at Nusjuro who managed to cut an entire island very casually.
One Piece has ultimately the advantage over Naruto when it comes to the entire world since this world has millions of islands; many are small but many are also large, if not even highly gigantified. Wano and Onigashima are examples. Elbaf is an even better example. So this is quite a large world.
Imu bomb is planet lvl.
It effected the entire One Piece world. @Sentinel is right.
Kaido is huge like a mountain, good luck to stop a attack who send something this huge deep into the core(lavachambers) and almost destroying a entire country.
Bijuu dama only leaves a surface damage, it never complete nuked land/mass like what Law or Luffy did.
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