Controversial Bleach verse > Dragonball verse

[DemarIkh]

oh my god bro so your arguments are just “it just doesn’t make sense” LMAOO, I’m sorry bro that’s how fiction works. An attack can be powerful enough to destroy a planet, solar system etc and not actually destroy said thing. “ you seriously think that attack that Frieza launch at goku it's going to destroy a planet” bro the attack he sent out DC wise probably wouldn’t even destroy a city but AP wise yes it’s obviously strong enough.

When Goku fights moro hes actually weaker than first form frieza because he doesn't actually destroy the planet!

And yes, I will use original dragon ball because both z and "OG" dragon ball are in the same manga lmao.

"Cause all that damage" Is piccolo stupid? he just blew up the moon and hes worried about Gohan who's DC was barley mountain level. Like I don't understand why this is hard, it happens in lots of series. Your attacks can be comparable to attacks that could blow up something and not actually blow up said thing.

Wait I just read the thread, nobody in dragon ball is multiverse level? Zeno erases a timeline and even the time ring (which holds said timeline) breaks lol?

 

[Killer#777]

No it proves the Moon has a power level of 150.

what are you talking about?

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Wtf? Raditz would solo the whole Bleachverse lmao

he wouldn't even get past the lieutenants quite honestly.

 

[mmd]

Clearly no

 

[Sentinel]

what are you talking about?

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he wouldn't even get past the lieutenants quite honestly.

You're stupid lol

 

[soupongo]

Dragon ball is the one verse you can´t really question the DC of. You could argue about how much it makes sense or whatever, but we do have actual planets being destroyed, going way back to the first saga villain of DBZ doing it with his finger

 

[Sentinel]

Dragon ball is the one verse you can´t really question the DC of. You could argue about how much it makes sense or whatever, but we do have actual planets being destroyed, going way back to the first saga villain of DBZ doing it with his finger

It is also one of the few verses when it was shown how they distorted the entire universe.

DBZ really pales in DC when it comes to Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Shit was so ridiculous, they were the size of the observable universe, then used actual universes (not galaxies, they were meant to be universes according to the creator) as shurikens and then created a drill which is 100x their size.

 

[Killer#777]

oh my god bro so your arguments are just “it just doesn’t make sense” LMAOO, I’m sorry bro that’s how fiction works. An attack can be powerful enough to destroy a planet, solar system etc and not actually destroy said thing. “

it being fiction doesn't mean it shouldn't not make sense within his own story and in toriyama's case since he is known just forget things. Plus already said the Moon feat has been retcon. And even if it wasn't that's not going to affect a shinigami in the slightest.

bro the attack he sent out DC wise probably wouldn’t even destroy a city but AP wise yes it’s obviously strong enough.

bro you were the one that was hyping up the character's destructive capacity like it was valuable in a fight. Garp in one piece for example his Galaxy impact destroy maybe a block of a city yet it couldn't knock out all the cannon fodder pirates that were there.

When Goku fights moro hes actually weaker than first form frieza because he doesn't actually destroy the planet!

this is what I'm talking about when it comes to inconsistency Goku should have been surpass frieza already especially in his first state regardless of how much training frieza had. Another thing stop saying you need to destroy a planetary leveled of destruction to kill or defeat Frieza he is not that strong durability wise he barely made it out alive the first time.

And yes, I will use original dragon ball because both z and "OG" dragon ball are in the same manga lmao.

wow at least you knew this much LOL. Anyway my point is from the beginning of dragon Ball manga toriyama was not really being consistent when it comes to power because it was mainly a gag series until he changed the formula somewhere around later down the line where he focuses more around action. This is due to the inspiration towards the author of fist of the North Star.

Your attacks can be comparable to attacks that could blow up something and not actually blow up said thing.

do you realize what you said does not make any sense?

Wait I just read the thread, nobody in dragon ball is multiverse level? Zeno erases a timeline and even the time ring (which holds said timeline) breaks lol?

erasing not destroying is what I said before hax over destructive capacity.

Post automatically merged: Oct 18, 2025

You're stupid lol

and you're illiterate see I can make insults too. Goku is basically a mortal going against reaper death gods.

 

[Sentinel]

and you're illiterate see I can make insults too. Goku is basically a mortal going against reaper death gods.

I don't even see this as an insult; it's a compliment. Because if you view me as an illiterate idiot, it proves I'm doing something right lol.

Mf you realise these "reaper death gods" can get their ass beaten by the mortal Chad? You realise the "god" title doesn't mean shit in fiction? Forget those guys, even Yhwach won't leave a scratch to Nappa since he needed ages to destroy 3 worlds lol.

 

[Owl Ki]

It is also one of the few verses when it was shown how they distorted the entire universe.

DBZ really pales in DC when it comes to Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Shit was so ridiculous, they were the size of the observable universe, then used actual universes (not galaxies, they were meant to be universes according to the creator) as shurikens and then created a drill which is 100x their size.

The Smiling Friends universe has better on-screen DC feats than Bleach. Lmao.

Spoiler

Mf you realise these "reaper death gods" can get their ass beaten by the mortal Chad? You realise the "god" title doesn't mean shit in fiction? Forget those guys, even Yhwach won't leave a scratch to Nappa since he needed ages to destroy 3 worlds lol.

That argument reminds me of that one time somebody was arguing that Death from Puss in Boots would beat Luffy because "Luffy can't just punch Death into submission" and my response was "Death shouldn't have chosen to take a form that can be punched into submission then".

Soul Reapers aren't immortal and die regularly. What a dumb argument. Lol.

Anyway, isn't that whole "destroy 3 realms" schtick something to do with being the Soul King? Cause if Yhwach could do that with just power level then he would have just, ya know, done it.

It's a Soul King ability, not a power level ability.

 

[Killer#777]

. Because if you view me as an illiterate idiot, it proves I'm doing something right lol.

no that's not what it means but you can interpret it that way if you want to.

Mf you realise these "reaper death gods" can get their ass beaten by the mortal Chad?

Chad has reiryoku the characters in the dragon Ball verse don't.

You realise the "god" title doesn't mean shit in fiction? Forget those guys,

it doesn't mean much in dragon Ball but for bleach is entirely different. The only true God in dragon Ball is Goku at the end of dragon Ball GT.

even Yhwach won't leave a scratch to Nappa since he needed ages to destroy 3 worlds lol.

zeno can't even destroy three universes at the same time in fact he doesn't even destroy anything he erases it.

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Soul Reapers aren't immortal and die regularly. What a dumb argument. Lol.

what's dumb that you don't know what actual the definition of immortality is.

Anyway, isn't that whole "destroy 3 realms" schtick something to do with being the Soul King? Cause if Yhwach could do that with just power level then he would have just, ya know, done it.

zeno can't even do that. Also the soul king was preventing him for doing that.

 

[Owl Ki]

what's dumb that you don't know what actual the definition of immortality is.

Definitions? Well let's look them up.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/immortal

"Exempt from death".

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/immortal

"Living forever"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immortality

"Eternal life, permanent resistance to death"

https://www.google.com/search?q=imm...md-rvo3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#ebo=0

"Living forever; never decaying or dying"

Gee golly, I sure remember reading how no Soul Reaper died throughout the entirety of Bleach, don't you?

 

[T2K Baka]

he wouldn't even get past the lieutenants quite honestly.

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Cause if Yhwach could do that with just power level then he would have just, ya know, done it.

It's a Soul King ability, not a power level ability.

It's a power level and Soul King ability. He absorbed the Soul King and got his powers and became responsible for holding the realms in place by existing. He decided to use his energy to destroy the realms; hence, you see his reiatsu spread across them.


The reason he didn't destroy the world was literally because of plot; how would Ichigo win if the world ended up destroyed? It's a shonen at the end; the MC has to win and defeat the villain.

Take out the plot and silver arrow, and Yhwach would've won. Almighty Yhwach was slapping Ichigo around the entire time he had the Almighty activated.

 

[Killer#777]

Gee golly, I sure remember reading how no Soul Reaper died throughout the entirety of Bleach, don't you?

not to natural causes. Being immortal doesn't mean you can't be killed. Majin buu is an example of this.

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The reason he didn't destroy the world was literally because of plot; how would Ichigo win if the world ended up destroyed? It's a shonen at the end; the MC has to win and defeat the villain.

no it's because of the part of the soul King's right arm he absorbed.

 

[T2K Baka]

no it's because of the part of the soul King's right arm he absorbed.

 

[Owl Ki]

what's dumb that you don't know what actual the definition of immortality is.

not to natural causes. Being immortal doesn't mean you can't be killed.

"You don't know the definition of immortal!"

"Actually, being immortal means the exact opposite of being immortal."

The audacity of this sassenach.

Immunity to death is the fundamental definition of immortality.

Immortal means "not mortal".

What is a "mortal"?

A "mortal" is a being that is subject to death.

The origins of the word goes back to Mors, the Roman personification of death. Mortal, mortalis, mort, mors. It all has to do with death.

If a mortal is subject to death, an immortal is not subject to death.

It is literally in the name.

If a living being can die in any way then they are subject to death and thus not immortal.

Now are you going to continue being obtuse about this after seeing numerous definitions and an explanation on the very origin of the word?

 

[Steven]

Clorox getting wanked with their Mountainlevel meteor and half hill buster is insane

Gremmy

Gremmy can't beat anyone who isn't already unconscious and half dead because he's a moron. And somehow dies when his imaginary body that does nothing gets damaged.

Even omnipotence is trash in the hands of an actual joke. Changing morals and emotions won't even make him any better when he literally needs to be coached by his enemy (also a known moron) just to survive long enough to even have a fight. The only way he can win is if you take his powers and give them to literally anything else smarter than a rock. Or just isn't him. The rock might even do better. At least it won't imagine itself to death after taking literally any damage at all if it doesn't recieve intervention.

 

[Killer#777]

just because you didn't understand the plot doesn't mean it came out of nowhere just for the sake of plot.

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Clorox getting wanked with their Mountain level meteor and half hill buster is insane

most dragon Ball characters don't even have mountain levels of physical strength.

Immunity to death is the fundamental definition of immortality.

didn't zamasu and Buu die though.

If a living being can die in any way then they are subject to death and thus not immortal.

not true you can still be killed while being immortal it just won't be due to natural causes. A lot of fictional characters die despite their immortality because immortality does not equal being invulnerable.

 

[T2K Baka]

just because you didn't understand the plot doesn't mean it came out of nowhere just for the sake of plot.

What are you yapping about? Go and reread the original argument.

 

[Owl Ki]

didn't zamasu and Buu die though.

Your point? I never claimed that they were immortal, I don't see how this is a counterpoint.

not true you can still be killed while being immortal it just won't be due to natural causes. A lot of fictional characters die despite their immortality because immortality does not equal being invulnerable.

So you're telling me that the phrase "mortal wound" is completely redundant because immortals die just as easily from physical damage as mortals do?

"He died from his immortal wound." - Killer#777, 2025

You talked big game about the definition of immortality, the definition and the very meaning of the word was rubbed into your face and now your counterargument is just to impotently repeat "nuh uh!" in the face of objective fact rather than admit that you were simply wrong.

What makes this entire denial of yours even funnier is that it completely destroys that moronic sentiment of yours about how "Goku is a mere mortal going up against immortal reaper death gods".

Well that line of thought is completely irrelevant if by your own admission, immortals die from physical destruction anyway. No different at all from fighting a mortal 1v1 then. Lel.

 

[Killer#777]

What are you yapping about? Go and reread the original argument.

"The reason he didn't destroy the world was literally because of plot; how would Ichigo win if the world ended up destroyed? It's a shonen at the end; the MC has to win and defeat the villain." This was your statement.

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Your point? I never claimed that they were immortal, I don't see how this is a counterpoint.

I never say you claimed anything but the manga does make it clear that they are immortal it's been stated multiple times yet despite that they still die.

So you're telling me that the phrase "mortal wound" is completely redundant because immortals die just as easily from physical damage as mortals do?

soul reapers don't even die from mortal wounds what are you on about?

You talked big game about the definition of immortality, the definition and the very meaning of the word was rubbed into your face and now your counterargument is just to impotently repeat "nuh uh!" in the face of objective fact rather than admit that you were simply wrong.

I would admit if I was wrong if you actually have a point to prove but you don't.

What makes this entire denial of yours even funnier is that it completely destroys that moronic sentiment of yours about how "Goku is a mere mortal going up against immortal reaper death gods".

it doesn't Goku still has no way of killing shinigami or other spiritual beings for that matter.