Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1163 Spoilers Discussion

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Pre-exoskeleton you could genuinely argue that. People were doing it, Sanji had legitimately nothing on Killer who Zoro at the time considered him nerfed a dangerous strong opponent

Kaido is the Sanji here he got a massive power up in the form of Azure Dragon fruit while Pissleigh is out running away being guarded by Silver axe's rival:suresure:
Killer is strong but he simply doesn't move like Sanji im sorry, making Kaido feel pain in a 5 vs 2 wasn't a big deal for most above Scabbard level characters bare minimum. He should have done more than just beating Hawkins if we wanted to believe that he had a chance against Sanji even pre exo. Black Maria spanked Sanji freely and he kept fighting like nothing happened, that is big
 
Gaban is afraid of kaidou, and Oden fell to a base kaidou without even using Acoc.

And he was holding back his strongest forms, while Oden's strongest attack fell short of knocking Kaidou out. Oden has a better portrayal than Rayleigh and Gaban. He's directly compared to Roger and placed on a par with Roger, who, by extension, is stronger than Rayleigh and Gaban. Hell, Oden's sword style was better than Roger and Rayleigh's.

Kaidou is stronger than Shiki, and stronger than Rayleigh and Gaban, after all, Kaidou was being called the embodiment of strength itself and the strongest in the world while these guys were all at their peak, in the 1v1 bet on Kaidou and not on Rayleigh, Gaban and Shiki that's how Kaidou is a bigger monster than them.

Shiki, Rayleigh, Gaban, these 3 guys were never even considered the strongest in the world, Kaidou however became the strongest.

Young Kaido lost and was captured numerous times

What you are doing is the equivalent of saying Killer > Marco because of the rooftop.

If Oden could permanently scar Kaido and nearly take him out, Ray, Gaban, and Shiki would have all beat him.

nothing suggests Gaban was afraid of Kaido. Kaido was a yonko and Gaban was a singular old man. He can’t fight the entire beast pirates himself. Nor does he even want to, the guy has a wife and kids.
 
Killer is strong but he simply doesn't move like Sanji im sorry, making Kaido feel pain in a 5 vs 2 wasn't a big deal for most above Scabbard level characters bare minimum. He should have done more than just beating Hawkins if we wanted to believe that he had a chance against Sanji even pre exo. Black Maria spanked Sanji freely and he kept fighting like nothing happened, that is big
Killer tanked yonko atks on screen AND off screen. Far far more impressive than fodder like Black maria

Pissleigh has done abs nothing to prove he is above GV DF Kaido. Theyre both subordinates but one is considered important and strong enough to fight against the only god tier while the other is running away having struggled thru fodder and sneak diffed a HK
 
Meant live action actor.

Also Whitebeard is stated to be equal to Roger, and Xebec is stated to be above Whitebeard.

GG
Whiteboard was below rocks at the time of GV. I’m not claiming he ever surpassed him but I do think these three in their primes are relative to each other. If we go by this logic, that means herald is above both whitebeard and Roger which narratively would make no sense.
 
Whiteboard was below rocks at the time of GV. I’m not claiming he ever surpassed him but I do think these three in their primes are relative to each other. If we go by this logic, that means herald is above both whitebeard and Roger which narratively would make no sense.
Harald IS above Roger and Primebeard. Xebec respected him for his strength and considered team up with HIM to be unstoppable. Not Dodger and Scrambeard
 
Luffy’s voice actor? You mean actor?
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That doesn’t put him above Roger. It just means he was his strongest rival.
Yes the strongest out of people like Primebeard, Garp and Sengoku who were all equal to Roger..
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Whiteboard was below rocks at the time of GV. I’m not claiming he ever surpassed him but I do think these three in their primes are relative to each other. If we go by this logic, that means herald is above both whitebeard and Roger which narratively would make no sense.
Harald is him.
 
Nobody else matters mate, Imu is 99% of the WGs power, the other 1% is him lending out parts of his powers. Im not including the marines ofc as they are a separate entity.
Imu >>>> 6 yonko levels.
Each gorosei is > yonko.
Holy knights range from yonko commander to yonko level (shamrock, gunko, killingham)

gorosei+holy knights are quite strong as well.

Cp0 is around lower yonko commander level guys like lucci.
Marines are similar in strength to all the yonko crews combined.
 
Shiki is not even Top 3 of Rocks pirates and never was, BM takes the cake. N1ggas was afraid of Kaido fighting Xebec and thrashing the whole island in the aftermatch lmfao

Shiki got wholeass replaced by BM and Kaido. Left as a backdrop paired with the likes of Wang Zhi and a fodder rival Oda made up on the spot js for him LMFAO


Shiki was close in strength to Roger as per the manga.

“The battle was declared a draw”

Big Mom and Kaido don’t have a single feat on this level.
 
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