Character Discussion Why CoC was focused before FB start?

[park_min young]

I disagree on the first point but the second is fair.
I don't know for certain if Law is dying against Imu or dying in general, but I was just saying that I don't believe it's really bad writing for him to die against Imu. If he does.

Why do you disagree with the first point? Corazon wanted Law to live a happy life, a life where he did not have to constantly think about death, war, or survival. Maybe he had respite from time to time but Law never truly experienced that.

For most of his life, he was consumed by vengeance against Doflamingo, and now he is facing someone like Imu. What Corazon would want more than anything is for Law to finally feel peace.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Why do you disagree with the first point? Corazon wanted Law to live a happy life, a life where he did not have to constantly think about death, war, or survival. Maybe he had respite from time to time but Law never truly experienced that.

For most of his life, he was consumed by vengeance against Doflamingo, and now he is facing someone like Imu. What Corazon would want more than anything is for Law to finally feel peace.

Because Law chose this life himself. He's the Surgeon of Death and as far as I remember, he's proud of that. He's proud that his life revolves around that stuff.

 

[Vanlax]

COC is the key to beat the regeneration, but only if you have stronger haki. (except yami of course)

Imu has by far the strongest COC shown, so the combined attack seemed ineffective.

 

[Welkin]

COC is the key to beat the regeneration, but only if you have stronger haki. (except yami of course)

Imu has by far the strongest COC shown, so the combined attack seemed ineffective.

This is also probably a factor

Feels like there’s a reason why Imu consciously (or unconsciously) released an absolutely enormous amount of conqueror’s haki after partially regenerating from their attack

It’s like a superior version of Akainu being attacked by Marco and Vista but not taking any damage before commenting on their haki usage

ACoC could be the answer on paper but the bar to do real damage is just too high for most

 

[swarna]

To me it seems like another one of the seeming invincibility and specific conditions combo like BM and Kata and Kaido and King. There is a technique for the counter like against Kata and Kaido for the slow regen effect and there is a specific condition for the counter like BM and King for the Imu regen (the problems as they seemed at that point in time). I think the real body in the abyss needs to be targeted.

If we look at the situation I think it is easier to describe the Zoro confirmation as him learning a skill like he did against Mr.1 (haki) and recently against King (ACoC). But like Zoro said he needed to be able to use the haki skill whenever required even after beating Mr.1 but he didn't know what it really was and could not use it against future Logia opponents like Enel and the sword rusting guy. Here Zoro has ACoC the answer to the HKs/Gorosei but now has knowledge about the skill and can counter the HKs/Gorosei (Logia).

The theory that made the most sense to me so far is that CoC has to linger on subjects outside of the user.

To mitigate the regen of HK's, you need to have your CoC linger in their body after your attack. The longer it does, the longer their regen is supressed and you can kill them.

To create a black blade, your CoC needs to linger in the blade permanently. And it's why it can't just be forged out of the blue. You need time and lots of battles where you pump that CoC.

Shanks did it to Greenbull. He caused his DF to regress and prevented its use. And, terrifyingly, from a far distance.

And I bet that's what Zoro did to Monet. We know that Zoro has been used to preview haki abilities in hindsight: with Armament/Ryou and Observation against Daz, Asura (COC susano? lol) against Kaku, so it wouldn't be surprising if Zoro pulled a mini version of what Shanks did to GB. Tashigi mentioned she couldn't detect any haki used against Monet, but she, just like Kaku and Zoro/Sanji recently in Elbaf, probably can't truly discern CoC. It takes a certain fluency and experience to detect it like Gaban/Luffy did for Zoro.

So Zoro basically sliced Monet and imbued his CoC into her without realizing or understanding it, and she failed to put herself together with her fruit. It was just "fear" at the time, but in retrospect it would make a lot of sense.

I think that's what M3 have to figure out this arc.

 

[Vanlax]

This is also probably a factor

Feels like there’s a reason why Imu consciously (or unconsciously) released an absolutely enormous amount of conqueror’s haki after partially regenerating from their attack

It’s like a superior version of Akainu being attacked by Marco and Vista but not taking any damage before commenting on their haki usage

ACoC could be the answer on paper but the bar to do real damage is just too high for most

Yep, it is the most logical answer.

Weaker haki won't negate a DF ability.

Aside Akainu vs Marco+Vista, this was also seen in Dressrosa. Doffy's COA wasn't able to negate the rubber effect of Luffy's fruit in G4 because it was clad in Luffy's superior COA in G4.

The exception is probably the Yami-Yami as I doubt Teach has COC stronger than Imu, but I'm expecting he would be able to negate Imu's abilities for plot reasons.

 

[MonsterKaido]

This is also probably a factor

Feels like there’s a reason why Imu consciously (or unconsciously) released an absolutely enormous amount of conqueror’s haki after partially regenerating from their attack

It’s like a superior version of Akainu being attacked by Marco and Vista but not taking any damage before commenting on their haki usage

ACoC could be the answer on paper but the bar to do real damage is just too high for most

That haki came from combined attack of legends and not imu. Imu regenerates after that haki blast.

 

[Roo]

Why do you disagree with the first point? Corazon wanted Law to live a happy life, a life where he did not have to constantly think about death, war, or survival. Maybe he had respite from time to time but Law never truly experienced that.

For most of his life, he was consumed by vengeance against Doflamingo, and now he is facing someone like Imu. What Corazon would want more than anything is for Law to finally feel peace.

Law dying would be bad writing because it puts Luffy in the same position as Imu. Imu likely used someone close to him for immortality purposes, Luffy is not supposed to mirror that.

plus Law is the closest thing outside of his crew and Sabo to Luffy. Luffy would certainly not be okay with Law sacrificing his life for him