Controversial Bleach verse > Dragonball verse

[Owl Ki]

why are you still comparing a spiritual being to a mortal being.

Shinigami are mortal beings. They are clearly subject to death. They are also subject to ageing. Ukitake shows they are also subject to illness. Pretty sure I even remember Hitsugaya even going grocery shopping for an old lady, so they apparently need to eat too.

Shinigami are superhuman mortals that live on a different plane of existence but are still mortals.

Also that's a problem right there you're comparing it to real life.

Pointing out how even in real life, senescence doesn't punish everyone equally, isn't unreasonable when discussing a fictional setting with beings that are subject to senescence.

Unohana looks good for her age, Yamamoto looks like shit. Lol.

This whole society has its own laws of physics compared to the world of the living.

Yet the entire place practically functions like a regular mortal realm anyway.

If the place wasn't explicitly called "the afterlife", you'd think Ichigo simply walked into generic isekai world number #1569

 

[T2K Baka]

The meteor is just a big stone.Nothing more

Tbh that meteor was also extremely dense since it broke through the barrier that's supposed to vaporize matter. But ya, in the end, it's just a big stone

 

[Killer#777]

Shinigami are mortal beings. They are clearly subject to death. They are also subject to ageing.

no shinigami are not mortal beings they never were. What folklore have you been reading? Because it's not on shinigami

Shinigami are superhuman mortals that live on a different plane of existence but are still mortals.

they are not human at all shinigami don't live in a mortal plane.

Pointing out how even in real life, senescence doesn't punish everyone equally, isn't unreasonable when discussing a fictional setting with beings that are subject to senescence.

Yamamoto it's over to 2 millennium in age yet is still alive it doesn't take a shinigami that long to grow in adulthood even with those with high reiryoku.

Yet the entire place practically functions like a regular mortal realm anyway.

it doesn't their anatomy works completely differently from mortals entirely that's why they have their own laws of physics like reshi.

If the place wasn't explicitly called "the afterlife", you'd think Ichigo simply walked into generic isekai world

well it isn't

 

[Owl Ki]

no shinigami are not mortal beings they never were. What folklore have you been reading? Because it's not on shinigami

they are not human at all shinigami don't live in a mortal plane.

A mortal is a being that is subject to death. Bleach Shinigami are subject to death. Thus they are in fact mortals.

Bleach Shinigami are just the manga equivalent of MCU Asgardians. Both are superhuman mortals that live in a different realm and claim godhood but are in fact still very much subject to death.

Yamamoto it's over to 2 millennium in age yet is still alive it doesn't take a shinigami that long to grow in adulthood even with those with high reiryoku.

Ok and a housefly lives for up to 30 days and a Greenland shark lives for up to 500 years. Both are still subject to senescence, the length of lifespan is irrelevant.

it doesn't their anatomy works completely differently from mortals entirely that's why they have their own laws of physics like reshi.

They eat, they sleep, they're subject to senescence, they're subject to illness and they're subject to death. They probably shit too. Like I said, functionally the same.

 

[Killer#777]

A mortal is a being that is subject to death. Bleach Shinigami are subject to death. Thus they are in fact mortals.

shinigami in general are not mortal beings this is not a subjective argument.

Bleach Shinigami are just the manga equivalent of MCU Asgardians. Both are superhuman mortals that live in a different realm and claim godhood but are in fact still very much subject to death.

not by mortals though.

Ok and a housefly lives for up to 30 days and a Greenland shark lives for up to 500 years. Both are still subject to senescence, the length of lifespan is irrelevant.

no it's very much relevant because we have no bases of a lifespan for shinigami.

They eat, they sleep, they're subject to senescence, they're subject to illness and they're subject to death. They probably shit too. Like I said, functionally the same.

then why has no shinigami die naturally from senescence? Also they don't have to do those things because like I said they are biologically immortal it is not needed for them in terms of survival.

 

[Photon]

why are you still comparing a spiritual being to a mortal being. Also that's a problem right there you're comparing it to real life. This whole society has its own laws of physics compared to the world of the living.
no I said it could be either or and you calling me illiterate learn how to read next time lol

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a missile made out of reshi to physical matter also you're missing context hachi trap barragan into enclosed space something most dragon ball characters don't have.

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post the comment then.

Because the question was stupid in itself alabasta but I'll answer it despite the question being ridiculous yes luffy two years ago can beat current Zoro and Sanji.

"Alabasta Luffy > Current Zoro/Sanji (Wano)"

 

[Steven]

"Alabasta Luffy > Current Zoro/Sanji (Wano)"

Even if it was MF Luffy,either Zorro or Sanji blitzes and oneshots Pre-TS Luffy.

 

[Killer#777]

"Alabasta Luffy > Current Zoro/Sanji (Wano)"

ok then ask me this why do you think Zoro or Sanji in wano could beat Luffy other than the two techniques they use to beat king and Queen which are still not transformation? Luffy has more experience facing tougher opponents pre-timeskip than both he always away ahead of them.

 

[Sentinel]

ok then ask me this why do you think Zoro or Sanji in wano could beat Luffy other than the two techniques they use to beat king and Queen which are still not transformation? Luffy has more experience facing tougher opponents pre-timeskip than both he always away ahead of them.

If I speak for everyone here, stfu.

@Owl Ki For your own sanity, I'd advice you to read his recent post at least 3 times and you'll realise that every single serious response to this dude is just a waste of time lol.

 

[Killer#777]

@Owl Ki For your own sanity, I'd advice you to read his recent post at least 3 times and you'll realise that every single serious response to this dude is just a waste of time lol.

why don't you mind your own business I asked him a question you are irrelevant to this conversation. Now if you want to ignore me that's fine but you don't speak for everyone here and if they want to stop arguing that's up to them not you.

 

[Owl Ki]

shinigami in general are not mortal beings this is not a subjective argument.

Shinigami are objectively subject to death. They are by definition mortal.

not by mortals though.

Quincy and Fullbringers are mortals bro. Lol.

no it's very much relevant because we have no bases of a lifespan for shinigami.

We don't need to know how long their lifespan is to observe that they are subject to senescence.

We have seen Shinigami age from children to adults and from adults to old gits. Mix that in with Barragan's words and it is pretty obvious they are in fact subject to senescence.

then why has no shinigami die naturally from senescence?

Why haven't we seen any human in Bleach die naturally of senescence on-screen? Because it's boring to watch. Lol.

Also they don't have to do those things because like I said they are biologically immortal it is not needed for them in terms of survival.

So Ukitake doesn't have to be cripplingly ill, he just does it for the lols?

Also, biological immortality is purely to do with senescence. Nothing else.

Look at a list of creatures in the Wikipedia article for it and you'll see that they all still need to eat and rest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_immortality

The term is really a misnomer and should really be called something along the lines of insenescence (not subject to aging).

 

[Sentinel]

why don't you mind your own business I asked him a question you are irrelevant to this conversation. Now if you want to ignore me that's fine but you don't speak for everyone here and if they want to stop arguing that's up to them not you.

"Alabasta Luffy > current Zoro and Sanji"

 

[Killer#777]

"Alabasta Luffy > current Zoro and Sanji"

and I still stand by this statement

 

[Sentinel]

Also, biological immortality is purely to do with senescence. Nothing else.

Look at a list of creatures in the Wikipedia article for it and you'll see that they all still need to eat and rest.

I don't even see how biological immortality truly matters in this discussion since there's lots of evidence of Bleach characters being killed by ordinary injuries. Only Aizen has a different level of immortality but even this guy wouldn't take an attack that has the power to destroy multiple planets (AP).

Even in this topic, as you said, they eat, they drink, they sleep, they age, they have an automonic nervous and digestion system. So what differs from them and humans is how they age and what they are made of.

 

[Steven]

Fucking respira can age the Clorox cast away hence they can die via old age.

 

[Killer#777]

Shinigami are objectively subject to death. They are by definition mortal.

through conditions yeah they can be killed doesn't change the fact they not mortal beings.

Quincy and Fullbringers are mortals bro. Lol.

yes but they use spiritual energy as a source of damaging them. Killing a shinigami is extremely hard especially for lieutenant class or higher.

We don't need to know how long their lifespan is to observe that they are subject to senescence.

by barragan ability they can die from senescence even barragan himself who is literally a eternal being in his own right and that's due to his respira being able to decay things.

So Ukitake doesn't have to be cripplingly ill, he just does it for the lols?

he is still biological immortal. External things can still kill him. No immortal is truly deathless.

Also, biological immortality is purely to do with senescence. Nothing else

which they cannot die from.

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Fucking respira can age the Clorox cast away hence they can die via old age.

so can Dragonball characters even "gods" in that verse.

 

[Sentinel]

yes but they use spiritual energy as a source of damaging them.

What is KI?

 

[Owl Ki]

through conditions yeah they can be killed doesn't change the fact they not mortal beings.

Mortal = Subject to death.
Immortal = Not subject to death.
Shinigami = Are subject to death.

They are by definition mortal. No amount of you not understanding definitions will change that fact.

yes but they use spiritual energy as a source of damaging them. Killing a shinigami is extremely hard especially for lieutenant class or higher.

Then we agree that mortals can in fact kill Shinigami contrary to your previous claim.

not by mortals though.

Nice.

by barragan ability they can die from senescence even barragan himself who is literally a eternal being in his own right and that's due to his respira being able to decay things.

By simply living, they age from children to old folk. Barragan's ability has got nothing to do with that.

he is still biological immortal. External things can still kill him.

Funny how you previously disagreed with everything I listed here.

They eat, they sleep, they're subject to senescence, they're subject to illness and they're subject to death. They probably shit too. Like I said, functionally the same.

Also they don't have to do those things because like I said they are biologically immortal it is not needed for them in terms of survival.

Nice to see you are mostly agreeing with me now after my correction of your misunderstanding of this concept.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_immortality

It only relates to senescence. Nothing else.

No immortal is truly deathless.

Immortal = Not subject to death.

If a being is subject to death in any way, it is by definition not an immortal. Your inability to understand this concept doesn't change that.

which they cannot die from.

Subject to death + Subject to senescence = Subject to death by senescence.

1+1=2 mate.

 

[Steven]

What is KI?

KIller#777

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Dude fucking Kenpachi is one of the top 5 characters, dude is just about insane AP, nothing else and even he is "just" max country lvl, even Luffy Bajrung Gun scales above Kenpachi AP feat, imagine this...

One of the strongest close combat fighter in Bleach, so strong that he is in Yhwach list, without any hax, is one of the strongest.

But a planet nuking Sayajin far above that guy, isn't?

And I only speak about Radditz or Nappa.
Vegeta would curbstomp the entire verse.