Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1164 Spoilers Discussion

Oda had enough respect for Rayleigh and Gaban to not turn them into complete hypetools by Majin Xebec. Instead, Kaido and Big Mom were used since their role is already done. Plus, they are not old legends, so that is a factor as well.
Kaido and BM were much weaker than their prime version though. That is hardly hype worthy. Negging this version of WB is.
 
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Does the right half depict Imu (Forest God) overthrowing Davy Jones (Earth God)?
Forest god is the devil fruit tree. The Demons are the devil fruits. THe EG is from the first world. Imu recognizes Davy and is angry at him being still here which means hes from the second world as is Imu.

Imu is imo the incarnation of the EG fruit (The Devil which if you read had humanity enslaved) and JB ate the Nika fruit. Davy Jones likely had the Yami fruit.
 

CoC: Color of Clowns

Whacky Arm Waving Inflatable Imu-chan
I can't help then lmao.
No way this was prime Bigmom.
God valley is important for Power Scaling Rocks, and Rocks Pirates that died here.

Otherwise, it's a wash.

We already know what Kaido looks like in his prime.

We still clearly haven't seen Prime Linlin.

We know Newgate and Roger got stronger from the 3 day battle that led to the Oden exchange.

Shiki's not near his prime, here. Sengoku already told us the Rocks Pirates that survived made it big post God Valley. Hell, all we've seen Kyo do so far is get kicked in the face, LOL.

Garling's clearly MUCH stronger now.

God Valley shows up:

Rocks was Pirate King tier.
Imu is God tier and needs weird Hax to defeat.
John/Ganzui weren't near Rocks' top Officers.

Kaido/Linlin/Newgate agenda takes are just shitting on the characters for the sake of fun/agenda.

"Did you know Marineford Luffy was stronger than Egghead Luffy?"

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, REALLY???

Heck, we can't even put Ganzui above John, because they didn't fight each other. All that encounter told us, was John doesn't have good Observation Haki. Ganzui sneak-diffed John before he even knew John was stealing the treasure, because Ganzui, as a Smuggler, figured John would have the same idea he had.

Outside of Rocks/Imu, there's really not much legit powerscaling to do here. And we already knew Rocks was crazy strong because of Harald.

God Valley is showing us that raw strength can't compete with Imu, you need BULLSHIT to beat Imu.
 
At that point, DDJ probably was a crewmate of Joyboy.
or Joyboy defeated DDJ and claimed the throne... no wait, Emeth said he failed to make Joyboy the King, so no.
Yep, Davy Jones was the king, while Joyboy wasn't. Although the fact that the latter was aiming for the throne makes it seem like he's also nobility of the AK.

Joyboy might've been like a Rhaegar Targaryen-esque figure, an idealistic dreamer who was seen as a better alternative to his tyrannical father/brother, Davy Jones. He might've even fought for the AK under the pretenses he would've ousted Jones once the war was over.
 
Yup it's unfortunate, but those words are more than enough.

The ranking of Rocks pirates goes like this: Xebec, WB, Shiki, Kyou, Big Mom, the rest.
No chance Big Mom isn't above every Rocks pirate not named Shiki, Xebec or Whitebeard right now.

She even displayed ACoC. Silver Axe is a background character atm, whose last known location involves him getting manhandled by Pinmarco lmfao. His previous feats involve nearly dying to a single cannonball, gasping for life on his knees whilst WB and Kaido are entirely unfazed by the same attack:
Absolutely no chance in hell that Silver Axe is even a DF-less Kaido's superior based on the panel above. A throwaway line about him being Shiki's rival doesn't help his case here — if he gets some good feats then great, otherwise, he's ass.
 
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