Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1164 Spoilers Discussion

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People missing that rocks had this grand plan and trash talk Imu .
15 years later all he did was get crew that not loyal and then Imu show up and fuck him up.
With some of the most powerful people there as back up .
Rocks is cool character but the man not accomplish anything really but his son will get much closer than he ever did .
He still wasn't prepared tho, far from it actually, but willingly sacrificed his goal to save his family.
 
But Rocks didn't cut corners. He tried to, but didn't gather the DFs he needed, then IMU ambushed him in his hometown before he was ready.

Also, I don't think what's left on Laugh Tale is a weapon left behind by JB to use to topple the WG. I think it's a cultural treasure to restore the AK after IMU is gone.
This doesn't matter? Blackbeard doesnt have Luffy's devil fruit anyway, so even if Rocks' theory was "just" needing those 2 fruits, he'd still be out of luck. And the point to that is Rocks never went to Lodestar, so he never found out about Laugh Tale even existing. Roger found this out before anyone, which was a year before God Valley.

And no, we know One Piece is more than just a treasure. It is the linchpin to topping the WG, otherwise you are insinuating Whitebeard or Roger's words have zero meaning about that.
 
He saved his family which will lead to Imu's end.

Roger avoided most real challenges and chose to be killed like a stray dog on the street by fodder marines.

He got the PK title due to Whitebeard's benign nature, but what does that even give you other than temporary fame?
Roger becoming the PK is going to have the biggest effect .
sSince effect shanks which effect luffy who is going kick FV ass be it Imu or BB.
Roger fame was not temporary when people still talking about what he did and his dead 22 year later that is not temporary.
 
People are amnesia victims.

They've forgotten that for 1100+ chapters, WB and Roger were consistently portrayed and cemented as #1 and 2 in the modern day pirating era.

Even Garp himself claimed Whitebeard as his #1 once Roger died, calling him the king of the seas lmfao. Sengoku constantly wanking WB as the strongest whilst standing right beside Garp.

Even just look at their old man performances — WB is beyond clear of every other old gen in terms of feats, whilst being in by far the absolute worst condition amongst them all.

People are letting a few GV chapters from before Whitebeard was even Whitebeard override literally thousands of concrete portrayal. The difference between Garp, WB and Roger here is that this is the peak of Garp's career hence why he's going off, whereas Roger and WB go on to do much greater things from this point. And still, Oda gives them their flowers.
realistically these things are all rumors and nobody really knows who is the strongest

WB, Roger, and Garp were all comparable
 
I really doubt they were defeated — we just haven’t gotten an update on their condition yet. In the next chapter, they’ll be back on their feet again.
Without a doubt, they escape god valleys anyways so we know they aint KOd. Imagine fighting a demi-god and living to tell the tale - that's the markings of a GREAT pirate, why Sengoku put these two alongside WB and Garp and Roger as the main contestants of GV

And if the trio do come back to weaken DR Xebec before the final blow... lets js say we warned everybody:MicDrop:
 
WB portrayal is still top notch .
In the rocks crew he always look like him was him .
It's not like we did not know WB was a subordinate in his younger days.
At least we know is not under some no name pirate.
You misunderstand.
WB is still top tier and one of the strongest pirates of history.
What I mean by his portrayal tanking is that that he doesn't look like a leader at all where all of the top dogs are gathered. He's just following around Xebec like a dog follows his master, similar to how SHs behave for Luffy.

WB looked like Him in the rocks crew is because back then the only one who could possibly compete against him from that crew was Shiki who was still weaker than him. BM and Kaido were much younger and weaker than him.

And yes we knew he was a subordinate even during MF, but the problem is we didn't know he was a subordinate to a monster like Xebec. Xebec just overshadowed everything about WB's overall career
 
Unfortunately he never got the fruit he wanted and was unprepared, he knew there's a good chance that he'll die if he goes to GV, but still chose family over his King Of The World goal.
Yeah, narrative wise, I get this.

I would have just wanted a little more "recognition" by Oda. I would have liked that even in defeat, Xebec was able to challenge Imu in something.

Instead Imu came, embarassed everybody and left.

Imu is a monster, It's not a powerlevel problem, but I would have wanted that, idk, Xebec wounded him for the first time in centuries. Even if It was just a papercut.
 
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Roger becoming the PK is going to have the biggest effect .
sSince effect shanks which effect luffy who is going kick FV ass be it Imu or BB.
Roger fame was not temporary when people still talking about what he did and his dead 22 year later that is not temporary.
Give him another 10 years and nobody will talk about him, it's easy to get fame when you don't even challenge the King Of The World.
 
This run from 2022-2025 has been Amazing for One Piece. BUT it took WAYYY Too long to get things started in the Post Timeskip , Fishman Island and Punk Hazzard was such a Dull period for the timeskip and then Dressrosa teased a lot but nothing substantial happens in the arcs themselves 100 plus chapters to defeat Doflamingo and his bum executives was nasty work. WCI was more Serious but Teased a lot too. And Wano Oda finally stopped teasing and showed Shit in the post timeskip but with horrible pacing. Egghead and Elbaf he’s gotten better with his Pacing atleast.
 
This doesn't matter? Blackbeard doesnt have Luffy's devil fruit anyway, so even if Rocks' theory was "just" needing those 2 fruits, he'd still be out of luck. And the point to that is Rocks never went to Lodestar, so he never found out about Laugh Tale even existing. Roger found this out before anyone, which was a year before God Valley.

And no, we know One Piece is more than just a treasure. It is the linchpin to topping the WG, otherwise you are insinuating Whitebeard or Roger's words have zero meaning about that.
I am saying Roger is waiting for someone who understands the ethos of the AK (which would be something stupid like freedom & food for everyone) and wants to restore it, and not for someone who only understands riches & power.

The OP doesn't have to be a linchpin in toppling neither IMU nor the WG, in fact Doffly thought he could overtake the WG with Law's surgery alone.
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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So, @TheAncientCenturion you are a big fan of Naruto, where two men who are destined rivals and the inheritors of their ancestor's legacy have a mutual enemy in an ancient God-like being who was their ancestor's foe.

And now, here we are in One Piece where...two men who are destined rivals and the inheritors of their ancestor's legacy have a mutual enemy in an ancient God-like being who was their ancestor's foe.

And yet, even with this current flashback practically slapping us in the face saying Teach is as much of a child of fate and destiny as Luffy is...you believe he's just going to bow out the next arc or two?
Yes, because Oda is equipping Blackbeard to go after the One Piece has his next big objective & the One Piece is the next big story point; Oda specifically listed characters permanently kicked out of the race for it, unlike ever before.

Blackbeard has three rubbings, a woman who can read them & is scouting out for the burned scar man.

Oda is not going to suddenly drop all these elements to have Teach go after King of the World next. So we’re in a situation—a very real race to be PK—where Luffy and Blackbeard are the front runners and are required to clash if they both want it.

Blackbeard helping against Imu isn’t impossible but I’m not signing onto that when Oda’s pushed Teach towards Laugh Tale too hard for it to be a forgotten plot line. And even then I don’t think he’d be the main villain of the series, just a wannabe Sasuke.
 
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