Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1164 Spoilers Discussion

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comrade said:
Yeah, but you don't see Roger being an underling to another man. Yes, great men have great followers, but I would've expected from the great Whitebeard to be atop, rather than being a lackey in his mid 30s when already having all of his arsenal (fruit, blade, ACoC). It is a loss of aura for the world's strongest man and king of the seas who stood atop all the pirates and ruled in front of the throne. It would've preserved his aura way better if he was a leading player in that flashback, rather than the era revolving around Roger, Garp and Xebec as the three legends mentioned.
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I have addressed this, quoting it below. Difference is, Roger wanted to be a pirate captain, interested in adventure etc. Whitebeard had different priorities.
It also helps that Rocks is more impressive that Roger lol. So, it wasn't like Whitebeard was following an equal or inferior of Roger.
Rock was that guy. At this point, I think it's safe to say that Rocks was at least marginally stronger than Roger/prime WB/prime Garp.

It's like comparing Zoro to Law or Kid. Zoro would never be the underling of those guys, inspite of them being Luffy's "peers". Zoro's standing isn't inferior to them either. Luffy is simply that guy.
Heck, Roger is in actuality far closer to Rocks, than Law/Kid to Luffy in standing.

grey matter said:
My point simply is that Whitebeard was always that guy.

Ultimately, Whitebeard wasn't even interested in traditional piracy. He wanted a yakuza like family based on loyalty, honour and care for each other; where he would be the head.
It just turned out that the pirate crew he built after Rocks became what he wished for.

Whitebeard just wanted that kind of "family". He stayed with Rocks, because he found that there - a place to hang out and drink with people he liked.
He would've been the leader for that family in a normal scenario, but it takes extraordinary type of captain to make someone like WB follow him. Rocks was simply that guy.

Just look at the comparisons with Zoro.
Zoro isn't interested in being a pirate or mafia. But he isn't against being a member either, on the condition that HE is the boss. It's the reason why he turned down Baroque Works. The only condition to join is him being the leader. Zoro being confused as the captain was a common theme until Dresrossa even (after which SHs became simply too famous for this theme to be played out again).
It takes an extraordinary type of captain to make someone like Zoro follow him. If SH crew suddenly disbanded due to Luffy's death, Zoro would be the next big pirate captain of the new gen.

These themes are put in place to demonstrate the captain simply being that damn impressive.
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