Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1164 Spoilers Discussion

[Fujishiro]

Like how do I even make an argument for Kuzan to push Kizaru to high diff? Both were mentally nerfed, Kuzan looked homeless getting blitzed left and right, while Kizaru even while nerfed seemed like a demi god.

Now obviously none of this matters to Oda he will somehow try to gaslight us into it being a close fight because C3. But that's precisely why we will never see an all out Kizaru.

Think about it, Luffy was using his Nika fruit and his top tier haki, Kizaru wasn't even mentally in it, actually secretly hoping Luffy stops him. There are two more gears for Kizaru to reach.
1.Not nerfing himself on purpose
2.Potential awakening

He didn't even do #1 on the list and embarrassed Luffy who had no idea Kizaru was nerfing himself to oblivion. And now you want me to believe he will be awakened on top of that? That's too much, at this point Oda needs to make awakening exclusive to Aokiji (and Akainu). I think he will leave it ambiguous with Kizaru, while those two will show it.

Its possible Kizaru wont awaken his fruit because his mind cant catch up to his fruit.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Did clowndon's feelings get hurt or something

people were making jokes about raping and killing him for dropping useless hints. it is what it is, they pressed him and he did what he should have done. now we get no hints or spoilers, at least on twitter
some people don't deserve the privileges they have

 

[soupongo]

I would bet my account that the c3 all have awakening, though I don't think the Nu admirals or Sengoku are awakened

 

[Dragon777]

If anyone can't see that Kuzan was both mentally nerfed while fighting garp, and trying to blend in with the bbp when he said he beat garp only because of the help, then they are retarded.

Oda can't make it any more obvious without just straight up writing it down as a text wall hxh style.

This btw.
Kuzan was holding back big time and Oda made it so abundantly clear.
People who don't see this are people who don't want to see this.

But again, here people fought for their lives trying to denying Kizaru fed Luffy, when readers with actual working eyes and a brain to intepret what they had just seen said from the first second, literally, that It was clearly Kizaru the culprit.
If Oda hadn't said It, those people would still be here denying the obvious.

 

[ZenZu]

Its possible Kizaru wont awaken his fruit because his mind cant catch up to his fruit.

Where would you rank Kizaru if this were the case? I guess on paper it sounds better for the others if they are awakened. But as I said, forget needing it, would awakening not be overkill for him? Kuzan needs awakening rn, that's the difference.

I feel like if Kizaru is awakened, it will be the most underpowered of the 3, he will mostly be using his base abilities in tandem with it, more of a useful type then pure power? Kuzan's awakening is likely more vital to his top gear.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Akainu retiring after getting low diff'd by Sabo

You leave grandpa max out of this

 

[Fujishiro]

Where would you rank Kizaru if this were the case? I guess on paper it sounds better for the others if they are awakened. But as I said, forget needing it, would awakening not be overkill for him? Kuzan needs awakening rn, that's the difference.

I think of it like this:

Akainu with awakening
Aokiji with awakening
Kizaru
GB
Fuji

Right now. If I were to guess though Fuji at max potential can for example ''deal'' with Kizaru going all out easier then the rest though.

I think as we approach EOS the bottom 2 will prove themselves in some way or another.

I feel like if Kizaru is awakened, it will be the most underpowered of the 3, he will mostly be using his base abilities in tandem with it, properly more of a useful type then pure power? Kuzan's awakening is likely more vital to his top gear.

Yeah I agree here.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

@sanjikun will claim without evidence that Luffy was nerfed on Egghead to justify his mediocre performance but then claim a guy that looked like at the end of a fight was giving his all without wavering at any point :

 

[Franosuke]

Why would you turn Kuzan into the average Worstgen user

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Like how do I even make an argument for Kuzan to push Kizaru to high diff? Both were mentally nerfed, Kuzan looked homeless getting blitzed left and right, while Kizaru even while nerfed seemed like a demi god.

Now obviously none of this matters to Oda he will somehow try to gaslight us into it being a close fight because C3. But that's precisely why we will never see an all out Kizaru.

Think about it, Luffy was using his Nika fruit and his top tier haki, Kizaru wasn't even mentally in it, actually secretly hoping Luffy stops him. There are 3 more gears for Kizaru to reach.
1.Not nerfing himself on purpose
2.Going all out
3.Potential awakening

He didn't even do #1 on the list and embarrassed Luffy who had no idea Kizaru was nerfing himself to oblivion. And now you want me to believe he will be awakened on top of that? That's too much, at this point Oda needs to make awakening exclusive to Aokiji (and Akainu). I think he will leave it ambiguous with Kizaru, while those two will show it.

Ten Kuzan’s can’t defeat Kizaru

 

[Dragon777]

Agenda Piece aside, do you honestly believe Fruitless Kuzan = Prime Garp.

The funny thing is that people are not even fighting that: they can't even accept Kuzan and Garp were clearly compared in punching strenght alone.

And when Kuzan starts spamming his impact moves (making further clear that Is his style), people will still deny that scene.

But I am willing to bet that if Kaido, BM or Shanks had that scene, none of them would have had any problems.

 

[ZenZu]

I think of it like this:

Akainu with awakening
Aokiji with awakening
Kizaru
GB
Fuji

Right now. If I were to guess though Fuji at max potential can for example ''deal'' with Kizaru going all out easier then the rest though.

I think as we approach EOS the bottom 2 will prove themselves in some way or another.


Yeah I agree here.

Oda damaged GB's rep badly, he tried to make up for it with Weevil who he had previously hyped as Young WB, but it doesn't seem to be enough. Expect him to make a statement with GB.

 

[Fujishiro]

Oda damaged GB's rep badly, he tried to make up for it with Weevil who he had previously hyped as Young WB, but it doesn't seem to be enough. Expect him to make a statement with GB.

GB forging a black blade would be hype. If hes awakened then his fruit can be very op.

I expect Fuji to have ACoC btw.

 

[SakazOuki]

So is this real or is it AI

 

[Fujishiro]

The funny thing is that people are not even fighting that: they can't even accept Kuzan and Garp were clearly compared in punching strenght alone.

And when Kuzan starts spamming his impact moves (making further clear that Is his style), people will still deny that scene.

But I am willing to bet that if Kaido, BM or Shanks had that scene, none of them would have had any problems.

Lee honestly thinks Fruitless Kuzan = Prime Garp.

He also thinks that Weevil = Primebeard lol.

I used to be able to tell if hes trolling or not but I cant anymore.

 

[soupongo]

Enough of the pissmirals, Lets go back to talking about Doffy vs Jack

 

[ZenZu]

Ten Kuzan’s can’t defeat Kizaru

Funny thing here is Kizaru can create Ten of himself. Another lowkey broken ability of his when you factor in having to deal with the main body is more than enough on its own, clones coming in from behind or whatever would be such a pain in the ass.

Though they probably won't be too difficult to dispatch for characters with instant AOE, but it's just another mental stack.

 

[soupongo]

The funny thing is that people are not even fighting that: they can't even accept Kuzan and Garp were clearly compared in punching strenght alone.

And when Kuzan starts spamming his impact moves (making further clear that Is his style), people will still deny that scene.

But I am willing to bet that if Kaido, BM or Shanks had that scene, none of them would have had any problems.

All Shanks had to do was use the same move as his mentor to get called equal, so people should keep the energy if Kuzan ever uses Garps moves.

 

[Shyneseru]

Redon always gotta make everything about himself, bro, it's X/Twitter, 3/4 of the userbase is on a 4chan level of trolling/ being assholes. Going on a strike won't make them become saints, it'll just make it worse later on.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Funny thing here is Kizaru can create Ten of himself. Another lowkey broken ability of his when you factor in having to deal with the main body is more than enough on its own, clones coming in from behind or whatever would be such a pain in the ass.

Though they probably won't be too difficult to dispatch for characters with instant AOE, but it's just another mental stack.

Kuzan won’t be able to react to them if he’s struggling to keep up with nerfed Garp