Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1165 Spoilers Discussion

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The strongest form of Xebec can't defeat Garp and Roger, well, yeah, Roger alone would defeat a non DR Xebec is true after ALL.



Now i know How Imunko Will be defeated, Bajrang Gun.

Roger well who doubted that Roger was Swordsman? Well Mihawk/Zoro fans, Roger still is above Mihawk, as Mihawk is a mere subordinate.
 
No he wouldn't, but I also know Old Garp wouldn't have gotten a heart attack after sparring with Akainu for 2 minute or get bullied by a trolling Kizaru lmfao
Bro you're literally trolling — Whitebeard didn't get a heart attack just because he couldn't keep up with the Admirals, he got it because he removed his life support and was on his last legs the second he stepped onto MF 😭😭

Of course he got bullied by Kizaru, how tf does he keep up with a lightspeed man without CoO and no CoC to protect himself to boot 😭

I don't think it's being acknowledged exactly how much weaker WB was on MF to his regular old self. No CoC and no CoO is absolutely insane — he was complete buttcheeks compared to even his regular old self and still managed to outperform Old Garp, and you wanna tell me Garp is magically his equal or superior in their prime because he got some good portrayal when they were younger?

Nah man.
 

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It's not cope, he did. "Leaving in the dust" is an overstatement but he definitely got stronger. They weren't in their primes on GV. Compare the performance of old Whitebeard and old Garp.

Are you seriously telling me that Old Garp outperformed Old Whitebeard? Of course not, Whitebeard's performance was leagues better and in a significantly worse condition where he couldn't even use CoC lol. Garp went down to one ex-Admiral who was significantly holding back after a single cheapshot that wasn't even fatal.

An infinitely worse condition WB (no CoC, no CoO) went down after a Squard cheapshot, heart attack, Akainu donut cheapshot (which was significantly worse than Shiryu's stab), a Kizaru laser, losing half his actual head, and then getting jumped by BB's entire crew, plus a million cannon strikes, stabs and gunshots along the way.

GV doesn't change the fact that we saw old Garp's performance vs old WB and WB cleared, easily, whilst being ridiculously nerfed to boot. A man who was canonically <= Roger. A pre-prime performance on GV doesn't magically change that. Whitebeard and Roger, after GV, went onto become the top 2.

People are being dishonest — no chance you seriously think that, if you drop a perfectly healthy old Whitebeard into Old Garp's shoes, that he loses in the same way or worse. Absolutely no chance.
Nah this just sounds like cope at this point. If this was the case Oda wouldn't have portrayed them in this manner. Roger has no confirmed wins over Garp to begin with, and now GV shows them as equals. It's over.
 
Outside of Zoro and Sanji its 3 at max, Zoro and Sanji fight always 5+ Chapter Max, Luffy fight is guarantee 10+
Im for the most part glad that oda doesnt write longer fights post-ts
Most fights are either recylcled or its generic haki opponent, i can do without that, its not like we often get enemies like enel anymore where its fun to see their abilities
"wow this guy is mind washed, i wonder how they will deal with it" Well:Luffy_Roll:
 
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