Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1165 Spoilers Discussion

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Even Bigmom and Kaidou were shocked.
Kidd and law praised Zoro.

They knew shit was about to reduce them to atoms
Even Bigmom and Kaidou were shocked.
Kidd and law praised Zoro.

They knew shit was about to reduce them to atoms
Hakkai is stronger than anything we saw in wano even kaido and luffy s ultimate.

Neither would survive two yonko going all out with their haki for 1 ultimate attack.

Zoro stopped thee strongest attack in wano arc then left.

Zoro got the best feat in wano.
 
A version of Kuzan that was canonically wavering mentally and decided to use 1% of his top-tier fruit? Old Garp got matched in his own fighting style by a DF merchant who more than likely has awakening lol.

WB didn't just have more scenes, he has better feats. No one's saying Xebec is weak because even in this short space of time he has fantastic feats. If MF WB wasn't that strong, doesn't matter how long the arc is, he would've fell to the first cheapshot, or the 2nd, or the 3rd.
Here's the difference : WB was done after MF so Oda went all out to paint him in good light despite his shitty health to make his death all the more epic. Garp isn't done and might get more combat feats in the future.
After this flashback arguing againt Roger = Garp is just weird, Oda did everything to portray them as complete equals. It makes no sense for Roger to outpace Garp all of sudden when they were still equal after decades of piracy/marine life and in their late thirties.
 
Yeah fights have been ass I was expecting this sh** to top marineford ez but fighting scenes have been lame af

At least Xebec and the lore drops were good
I mean marineford battles were trash too if you check them did passionately. Whitebeard having heartattack every 2 minutes. Kizaru goofing around. Akainu chanelling his inner Terminator. Sengoku failing to kill pre time skip Luffy. Akainu rage baiting ace. Marco getting hand cuffed. Mihawk - vista equal clash.
 
. I don't really care for what Oda even wrote 20 years ago to begin with.
This is an insane statement, surely there's a middle ground here.

You don't just throw away a thousand chapters of precedence like it's nothing.

Claiming Prime Garp > Prime WB based on their GV performances is a wild thing to do when Garp himself claimed WB as the king of the seas. When WB was quite obviously portrayed as the uncontested strongest once Roger died.

Recency bias is unbelievably strong in this thread.
 
I just find it bizarre how Oda had to write Kaido and Luffy’s fight taking place in the sky, with Momonosuke carrying the island away from their clash — otherwise, the entire island would’ve been obliterated by their attacks. Yet here, Roger and Garp unleash their full power and nothing happens to the island… I’ve seen this kind of nonsense enough times already. When Kaido said that only Joy Boy could defeat him one day, he wasn’t joking — neither Roger nor Garp have anything like that.
I’m honestly sick of people saying that Garp and Roger are stronger than prime Kaido.

 
Harald as Xebec didn't;
Roger and WB didn't.
Garp didn't.

Not even the one with superior power negating AdvCoC.

All of those have weaker haki than 1026 pre Nika Luffy according to some here :milaugh:.

Skysplit is dead. Garp, Xebec and Harald never skysplit even once.
It's merely a pirate thing.
Stop the cope blud.

Roger and WB haki wasn't Refined enough.

- Because we already know from 966, They split skies and Oden recorded that shit.

- Xebec vs Harald doesn't even use Conqueror. I see no conqueror trails. On top of that not every AdCoC clash result in sky split.

- Garp and roger Hit each other unlike clashing.

There is no refined form of it. But simply stronger AdCoC.

Kaidou, Bigmom were passively eliminating Law fruit ability.
Shanks negged greenbull fruit.
Xebec DR. Negged Garp and Roger attacks.
 
DF bros won after this flashback, btw.
Rocks wanted 2 broken dfs to counter Imu, instead of just increasing his haki. Domi Reversi can work just fine on top-tier hakimen like Rocks.
I'm calling it right now, Imu is just a extremely powerful devil fruit user, only difference is that he had at least 800 years of experience mastering it, that's why his abilities seem like they're on a completely new level.
 
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