Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1165 Spoilers Discussion

[Monkey D Theories]

This is how it looked when he wrapped ACoC around it.

This is a good lesson for those trying to downplay the attack Garp and Roger used on Xebec, damage done to competent opponent > DC.

Their attack took a solo skysplitter down. SKG couldn't even keep Kaidou down for a few seconds, yet we saw how a weaker variant levelled Dressrosa.

Don’t know who needs to hear this, but

DRocks had better durability than BM or Kaido, neither of which are taking zero damage from an ACoC punch to the face.

Garp/Roger’s finishers could kill a yonko

 

[sanjikun]

And yet when he did learn that AdCoC this is how the attack looked.

Even Kong Gun looked more impressive on Dressrosa let alone KKG. So the takeaway is you're comparing the first time an ability has been used against weaker competition to an ability being spammed against tougher competition.

And you haven't seemed to learn anything at all from this, because you think Oda will draw every adCoC panel like he did on the roof lmfao. Welcome to shonen battle manga, is this your first rodeo?

Mate, we're talking about fucking Kaido, the guy no one can kill. Defensively he's above Xebec and Roger combined.

It took Bajrang Gun + a lava ocean to beat him. That is 100% more than the shit Roger and Garp did this chapter.

 

[Bogard]

Who is in Solo Skysplitter tier? So far we got Joyboy, Domi Xebec, and Shanks

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Yeah, I know you're jealous your faves feats get eclipsed even by DR Luffy, let alone current Luffy.

Only thing holding Luffy back the entire post-TS is just Oda making him lose braincells whenever it's plot convenient.

Your brain dead. You thought Doffy was close to top tiers

 

[comrade]

It's time to admit that the reason WB never beat Roger is quite obviously that he didn't desire to do so. He always could.

Equating fruitless Whitebeard to Roger because of a single clash is like equating hybrid Kaido to base Luffy because they equally clashed and split the sky. We know though that later, Kaido was going toe to toe with Luffy and dominating him through all his gears.

Roger was Whitebeard's ceiling. Whitebeard isn't getting past that. With the GV flashback, Garp too becomes Whitebeard's ceiling.

I don't know if you read that page, but Luffy literally uses the body of someone to do all that damage. He's not even using the attack itself.

I don't think that's a problem, when he translated the KKG's force to Doflamingo's body, propelling him vertically in gravity's direction. Whether I punch the wall with 1000mph or throw a body with 1000mph into the wall, it amounts to the same.

Now compare that with Zoro not only cutting through Pica's torso but lifting the upper body up into the air (in comparison, Kaku's all out Rankyaku could barely shift a tower after cutting it due to the sheer weight involved).

Zoro's attack arguably had more raw force.

 

[sanjikun]

DRocks had better durability than BM or Kaido

Oh yeah bro. I remember when Xebec was punched by a JoyBoy God level punch and was buried in a sea of lava to keep him down.

 

[Unlimited Rulebook]

From this battle, as both Roger and Garp did their best, it is clear that Imu-infused Xebec is a little stronger than 2x Chinjao.

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Oda’s consistency. Lol

 

[ZenZu]

Say it loud for to the DCsexuals amongst the admiral fandom.

Admiral fandom always knew Meigo was the most impressive thing Akainu did on MF, not his great eruption that was levelling the ships.

The issue with Admirals is due to the nature of their fruits, the DC is a collateral of them unleashing more power, as this is probably also going to be linked to their awakening. Which is why for them to fight they need to get to a secluded island, where two Yonkou can have a 3 day battle in a basement. It's just the nature of the logia fruits, it's just a byproduct of them using the most basic abilities of theirs unrestricted, and Oda has highlighted this multiple times in the manga. This has nothing to do with Admiral fans, this is Oda choosing to go that route everytime.

 

[Shiroyru]

Dorry and Brogy compared his Haki directly to Joyboy’s

 

[Fujishiro]

Admiral fandom always knew Meigo was the most impressive thing Akainu did on MF, not his great eruption that was levelling the ships.

The issue with Admirals is due to the nature of their fruits, the DC is a collateral of them unleashing more power, as this is probably also going to be linked to their awakening. Which is why for them to fight they need to get to a secluded island, where two Yonkou can have a 3 day battle in a basement. It's just the nature of the logia fruits, it's just a byproduct of them using the most basic abilities of theirs unrestricted, and Oda has highlighted this multiple times in the manga. This has nothing to do with Admiral fans, this is Oda choosing to go that route everytime.

I agree with everything you said, I told MarineHQ exactly this. Logia will Logia, weaker characters with a Logia will output more DC then say Brawlers,etc.

 

[Crow]

Dorry and Brogy compared his Haki directly to Joyboy’s

Thus by definition Joyboy is heavily inferior to Gigahawk

 

[ZenZu]

Don’t know who needs to hear this, but

DRocks had better durability than BM or Kaido, neither of which are taking zero damage from an ACoC punch to the face.

Garp/Roger’s finishers could kill a yonko

Wow...you actually are making more sense than half the people posting, signs of end times.

I agree with everything you said, I told MarineHQ exactly this. Logia will Logia, weaker characters with a Logia will output more DC then say Brawlers,etc.

See Enel.

 

[Shiroyru]

Equating fruitless Whitebeard to Roger because of a single clash is like equating hybrid Kaido to base Luffy because they equally clashed and split the sky. We know though that later, Kaido was going toe to toe with Luffy and dominating him through all his gears.

Roger was Whitebeard's ceiling. Whitebeard isn't getting past that. With the GV flashback, Garp too becomes Whitebeard's ceiling.

I don't think that's a problem, when he translated the KKG's force to Doflamingo's body, propelling him vertically in gravity's direction. Whether I punch the wall with 1000mph or throw a body with 1000mph into the wall, it amounts to the same.

Now compare that with Zoro not only cutting through Pica's torso but lifting the upper body up into the air (in comparison, Kaku's all out Rankyaku could barely shift a tower after cutting it due to the sheer weight involved).

Zoro's attack arguably had more raw force.

Lolda just wants to have his cake and eat it too.

He wants all out Roger = all out Primebeard, but he also wants to give Primebeard equal Haki to Roger, despite having a broken DF

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

To think you would use an argument this dumb. Oda has proven time and time that these statements can't be trusted, let's rather trust in what we were given on panel.

When Oda focused on WB's individual strength he looks infinitely better than Roger. Roger can't even properly dominate fruitless Primebeard.

This is what happened when WB uses his fruit.

The equal of Garp quite literally could not best Primebeard in strength, that's the takeaway of his career.

I can understand the "True Prime Roger" cope now, nothing the man showed explain how he could match Primebeard. Maybe WB was actually refraining from using his fruit to not endanger his crew and/or sink the island they were fighting on.

 

[Poorsalino Cooker]

Dual Black Blades?

So much for Runleigh.

 

[Crow]

Gigahawk

 

[soupongo]

OP’s power ceiling peaked really early with Enel, nothing since then has come close to being as impressive. He’s Oda’s blueprint for Uranus.

Yeah, it's silly to grant top tiers Enel with maxim level DC

 

[Lifeismeh]

Admiral fandom always knew Meigo was the most impressive thing Akainu did on MF, not his great eruption that was levelling the ships.

The issue with Admirals is due to the nature of their fruits, the DC is a collateral of them unleashing more power, as this is probably also going to be linked to their awakening. Which is why for them to fight they need to get to a secluded island, where two Yonkou can have a 3 day battle in a basement. It's just the nature of the logia fruits, it's just a byproduct of them using the most basic abilities of theirs unrestricted, and Oda has highlighted this multiple times in the manga. This has nothing to do with Admiral fans, this is Oda choosing to go that route everytime.

Lol his point is obvious. Most admiral fans used to and still scale mediocre attacks from admirals above attacks from yonko just because it "looked" more impressive" or "it had more dc" then here here you are right now acting like some shounen scholar who understand the nuance of paneling and what not lmao

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

"crude and clumsy" 1010 Luffy punches were making hybrid Kaido vomit blood but we're supposed to believe Garp finisher that could blow holes in a solo skysplitter body would not vaporize his ass out of existence 😭😭😭 ultimate level of brainrot

 

[Definitivo]

Who is in Solo Skysplitter tier? So far we got Joyboy, Domi Xebec, and Shanks

?????