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Too bad mine is too, you are forcing me to find new words to explain it simpler because you don't understand it. So if you don't believe that I'm making shit up, inventing, bullshiting, etc. What is your point, stop dodging that. And reply while I try to find a way to explain a basic leftist principle easily.
I think that was it.
Didn't know that. Well, that's a good point :)
I think that was it.
Didn't know that. Well, that's a good point :)
1) im not forcing you to do anything, you yourself said you didnt explain yourself because we arent listening. . . .
2) another case of "disagreement =/= not understanding"
3) the main points with this was logical fallacies like generalization, not you making shit up.
im not going to explain the points of bisoromi and monster zoro tesla supplier (who have been part of this specific discussion for over 10 pages), maybe you just need to properly read their and my posts.
But to give a short summary: your slogans are walking logical fallacies. regardless of whatever sociological/societal context you want to insert, the slogan/claim itself is generalizing, which is inherently anti-logical. You recognize this, which is why you deflect from the hard claim to a softer position that you can defend (motte-and-bailey), while emphasizing "oh no ACAB doesnt REALLY mean that ALL cops are ACTUALLY bad HuRrDuRr". yeah maybe then dont say all cops are bastards, find a better way to express that oppressive forces like the police create tendencies for bad behavior (what @Bisoromi Bear told you PAGES AGO btw).
Because to be really honest, I, and they probably as well, dont even disagree about problematic behaviours being enabled by the system of the police force, but we know better than to make blanket statements like "all men are sexists" and the like because they are obviously wrong, anti-logical, and ideologically driven nonsense. Bisoromis point about imperialism was his way to shove this argument in your face to show you how ridiculous it is.
but it seems all of the above was flying over your head. and seriously, me taking the time and putting in the effort to even type this post up for you should be a testament of me giving you a basic level of respect among fellow humans (another point that you didnt answer where i asked what would constitute this basic level of respect that you require of us).
2) another case of "disagreement =/= not understanding"
3) the main points with this was logical fallacies like generalization, not you making shit up.
im not going to explain the points of bisoromi and monster zoro tesla supplier (who have been part of this specific discussion for over 10 pages), maybe you just need to properly read their and my posts.
But to give a short summary: your slogans are walking logical fallacies. regardless of whatever sociological/societal context you want to insert, the slogan/claim itself is generalizing, which is inherently anti-logical. You recognize this, which is why you deflect from the hard claim to a softer position that you can defend (motte-and-bailey), while emphasizing "oh no ACAB doesnt REALLY mean that ALL cops are ACTUALLY bad HuRrDuRr". yeah maybe then dont say all cops are bastards, find a better way to express that oppressive forces like the police create tendencies for bad behavior (what @Bisoromi Bear told you PAGES AGO btw).
Because to be really honest, I, and they probably as well, dont even disagree about problematic behaviours being enabled by the system of the police force, but we know better than to make blanket statements like "all men are sexists" and the like because they are obviously wrong, anti-logical, and ideologically driven nonsense. Bisoromis point about imperialism was his way to shove this argument in your face to show you how ridiculous it is.
but it seems all of the above was flying over your head. and seriously, me taking the time and putting in the effort to even type this post up for you should be a testament of me giving you a basic level of respect among fellow humans (another point that you didnt answer where i asked what would constitute this basic level of respect that you require of us).
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...down-republicans-reject-healthcare-rcna242643
Had to explain to my right-leaning supervisor at work that the liberals she despises so much are the ones trying to restore her SNAP benefits so she can afford to feed her six (!!!) kids and that her beloved overlords who are in charge of every single governmental body could end the shutdown today if they truly gave a fuck about this country…I took no pleasure in watching her face fall, but it was not unsatisfying
Had to explain to my right-leaning supervisor at work that the liberals she despises so much are the ones trying to restore her SNAP benefits so she can afford to feed her six (!!!) kids and that her beloved overlords who are in charge of every single governmental body could end the shutdown today if they truly gave a fuck about this country…I took no pleasure in watching her face fall, but it was not unsatisfying
Both are sadly true, you don't listen AND you are "forcing me" to find a simplest way to explain this. But don't worry, I found it. I'll make a little explanation soon, just know that it will require a bit of efforts from your part too.
In politics disagreement between 2 sides with similar material interest is missunderstanding transformed into a belief system. I know the process, I myself created belief system in the past based on things not understood. I now see this patterns with you. Which is why I'm not using the words "disagreement", but "misunderstanding". This is a form of deep respect from me that you won't get anywhere else.
Ok so that's what I said, you think that I'm Bullshitting with logical fallacies. But as I explained. While I aknowledged their generalization characteristics, this slogan are not logical fallacies, they are accurate in their generalization. Even if they do not aim to target individual behavior, they can be used to analyze them. Which is what I'm about to explain in the paragraph that I'm preparing.
It's not only a problem of "enabling", I'll explain that in detail.
No. I fully understand what you are saying. That's what you do not understand yourself. As I explained multiple times already, what you
are saying at the moment is something I have said myself many time in the past to activists. So I understand fully your arguments. But I also know and understand why its oblivious to a bigger truth and reality. Something that you and me of the past are not aware of.
This is something sadly that I can't explain. Simply because I don't know how to explain it. I wish for you to have the behavior that I had when I tried to understand this in the first place myself. But this behavior is not simple listening, it's deep respect. And sadly, I cannot explain to you how I jumped the bridge between not trusting and wanting to trust these activists rethoric. Maybe I took a leap of faith:
I'm so sad for your people...
In politics disagreement between 2 sides with similar material interest is missunderstanding transformed into a belief system. I know the process, I myself created belief system in the past based on things not understood. I now see this patterns with you. Which is why I'm not using the words "disagreement", but "misunderstanding". This is a form of deep respect from me that you won't get anywhere else.
Ok so that's what I said, you think that I'm Bullshitting with logical fallacies. But as I explained. While I aknowledged their generalization characteristics, this slogan are not logical fallacies, they are accurate in their generalization. Even if they do not aim to target individual behavior, they can be used to analyze them. Which is what I'm about to explain in the paragraph that I'm preparing.
It's not only a problem of "enabling", I'll explain that in detail.
No. I fully understand what you are saying. That's what you do not understand yourself. As I explained multiple times already, what you
are saying at the moment is something I have said myself many time in the past to activists. So I understand fully your arguments. But I also know and understand why its oblivious to a bigger truth and reality. Something that you and me of the past are not aware of.
This is something sadly that I can't explain. Simply because I don't know how to explain it. I wish for you to have the behavior that I had when I tried to understand this in the first place myself. But this behavior is not simple listening, it's deep respect. And sadly, I cannot explain to you how I jumped the bridge between not trusting and wanting to trust these activists rethoric. Maybe I took a leap of faith:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...down-republicans-reject-healthcare-rcna242643
Had to explain to my right-leaning supervisor at work that the liberals she despises so much are the ones trying to restore her SNAP benefits so she can afford to feed her six (!!!) kids and that her beloved overlords who are in charge of every single governmental body could end the shutdown today if they truly gave a fuck about this country…I took no pleasure in watching her face fall, but it was not unsatisfying
Had to explain to my right-leaning supervisor at work that the liberals she despises so much are the ones trying to restore her SNAP benefits so she can afford to feed her six (!!!) kids and that her beloved overlords who are in charge of every single governmental body could end the shutdown today if they truly gave a fuck about this country…I took no pleasure in watching her face fall, but it was not unsatisfying
😱 somebody who understands reading between the lines😱😱
On the highest horse but also the victim.
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On top of it all, fluffy is French. There are people from Muslim countries who say shit like 'Muslims have the right to kill as many French as they want for what the French did to Muslim countries'.
He has no sense of danger.
Fully satisfied to be decapitated by some radical simply for being French.
On the highest horse but also the victim.
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On top of it all, fluffy is French. There are people from Muslim countries who say shit like 'Muslims have the right to kill as many French as they want for what the French did to Muslim countries'.
He has no sense of danger.
Fully satisfied to be decapitated by some radical simply for being French.
The indoctrination is just nuts…we see it in this thread every time one of the smooth brains vomits all over their keyboards, but it’s so sad how easily these dipshits fall for propaganda; this woman tells me how much her husband hates Democrats, but neither of them understand how Republicans have manipulated them into signing their rights away over this bullshit culture war. A mother with half a dozen children should know how hard it is to raise kids even under ideal circumstances, it’s really depressing that she can’t do a quick Google search and learn how the people her husband tells her to vote for are systematically choking them to death.
Next on: Logiko gets beheaded by random extremist who always wanted to kill a French guy as revenge for the Muhammad caricatures. He doesn't case about Logiko's stance on religious caricatures. He sees French passport and goes for the kill.
Congratulations Logiko, you gave an extremist the pleasure olf righting the wrongs committed by your ancestors. An important step towards reconciliation was made. The world is now a better place ❤️🌈 /s <-this is for AL
Congratulations Logiko, you gave an extremist the pleasure olf righting the wrongs committed by your ancestors. An important step towards reconciliation was made. The world is now a better place ❤️🌈 /s <-this is for AL
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https://apnews.com/article/snap-food-government-shutdown-trump-a807e9f0c0a7213e203c074553dc1f9b
For those who won’t click the link, I’m strongly considering sending this to my supervisor and asking if she sees the word “Democrats” anywhere in the headline or caption:
The American president is conspiring with the highest judicial authority in the country to deny millions of their citizens access to food, and half of them are sleepwalking right through it all, totally oblivious to how they are being ground into dust…I don’t think anyone in power from here on out will ever do anything that benefits the proletariat, there’s just no coming back from letting such baldfaced collusion happen (again, AGAINST THEIR OWN PEOPLE) without any consequences for the perpetrators
For those who won’t click the link, I’m strongly considering sending this to my supervisor and asking if she sees the word “Democrats” anywhere in the headline or caption:
The American president is conspiring with the highest judicial authority in the country to deny millions of their citizens access to food, and half of them are sleepwalking right through it all, totally oblivious to how they are being ground into dust…I don’t think anyone in power from here on out will ever do anything that benefits the proletariat, there’s just no coming back from letting such baldfaced collusion happen (again, AGAINST THEIR OWN PEOPLE) without any consequences for the perpetrators
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Take things more seriously Bear. You are not 13 anymore.
Yeah.. sadly, confirmation bias are a bitch. Combined to material interest, they become impenatrable walls. But if she is raising concerns and if it hurts her badly, it shouldn't be long before she radicalizes. At least there is that..
And this is why you are not a leftist mate. Your cases is actually more problematic than zenos, because you are riddled with far right reactionnary fears such as this one or the Vaccine one. No matter how hard I try. If you make no effort of understanding and deradicalization, you will stay a scared little puppy. It will not take much for you to fall fully for far right propaganda from the look of it.
Yeah.. sadly, confirmation bias are a bitch. Combined to material interest, they become impenatrable walls. But if she is raising concerns and if it hurts her badly, it shouldn't be long before she radicalizes. At least there is that..
And this is why you are not a leftist mate. Your cases is actually more problematic than zenos, because you are riddled with far right reactionnary fears such as this one or the Vaccine one. No matter how hard I try. If you make no effort of understanding and deradicalization, you will stay a scared little puppy. It will not take much for you to fall fully for far right propaganda from the look of it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...down-republicans-reject-healthcare-rcna242643
Had to explain to my right-leaning supervisor at work that the liberals she despises so much are the ones trying to restore her SNAP benefits so she can afford to feed her six (!!!) kids and that her beloved overlords who are in charge of every single governmental body could end the shutdown today if they truly gave a fuck about this country…I took no pleasure in watching her face fall, but it was not unsatisfying
Had to explain to my right-leaning supervisor at work that the liberals she despises so much are the ones trying to restore her SNAP benefits so she can afford to feed her six (!!!) kids and that her beloved overlords who are in charge of every single governmental body could end the shutdown today if they truly gave a fuck about this country…I took no pleasure in watching her face fall, but it was not unsatisfying
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crazy, right?
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yes but its bullshit, what you are saying still isnt profound in any way, people just disagree with your shitty takes. get over it. and if you keep mischaracterizing shit like that, dont cry about me pointing out the strawmen.
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=/= making shit up.
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yeah no
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see this is the type of nonsense thats annoying with you, the topic was basically the minimum requirement of respect, and here its suddenly "deep respect". Sorry buddy, but thats not something you have earned. Im willing to discuss a basic level of respect that im willing to give to anyone that hasnt wronged me in a major way, but deep respect is fucking earned.
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growing up as a migrant in germany with insanely ingrained nazi guilt everywhere was a wild experience, ngl.
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this seems a little grenzwertig
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i missed the vaccine stuff, whats @Bisoromi Bear 's problematic view about vaccines?
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There is nothing “profound” about systemism, it's basic. It's just that you don't get it & take it for an oversimplifying/fallacious generalization. Any radical and thus coherent leftist understands these two slogans, what they mean and are not phased by it. Men are sexist & the police is a force of oppression. But I could go farther and say that most people are ableist and all white people are racist.
And you ignored the "etc." showing that it was a nuanced and non exhaustive list, but you need to butt in anyway. This behavior of yours to always try to be right and rationnal while failing to read nuances correctly is tiring. It's the reason why I keep telling you that the "I'm a rational person" is not the genius mindset you think it is, especially when it's used as badly as right now. Trust me. I WENT THERE
These were also my words when people were trying to convince me. I want you to understand that I'm not trying to belittle you by saying this, I want you to understand that I had the same quest for rationality. I simply chose to listen when you are still refusing to.
And listening is not reading my argument. You can read while not listening. Listening it opening your mind to a potential change.
I don't remember exactly. But I remember my red alarm going off because of this subject with Bear. Which isn't a good sign. Maybe they evolved on that since then.
=/= making shit up.
These were also my words when people were trying to convince me. I want you to understand that I'm not trying to belittle you by saying this, I want you to understand that I had the same quest for rationality. I simply chose to listen when you are still refusing to.
And listening is not reading my argument. You can read while not listening. Listening it opening your mind to a potential change.
I don't remember exactly. But I remember my red alarm going off because of this subject with Bear. Which isn't a good sign. Maybe they evolved on that since then.
Nope
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Bro you are so full of shit. On this you explicitly named me, thats why i reacted. otherwise i only react to topics im interested in. Thats how a forum works btw. And im not going to let you tell me anything about nuances, you only care about those when they are convenient because you are a huge hypocrite.
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Yeah i dont give a fuck about whatever you did or said or felt in the past. I've been over people trying to convince me about most of this shit, thats why im telling you all the time, its not that i dont understand your simple ass basic points, i just disagree with them.
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Bro this vaccine shit was one of two things you listed with his supposed far right reactionary fears (big accusation btw) and you dont even remember it.
seriously you are putting in alot of effort to prove @Bisoromi Bear right about you being the king of bad faith argumentation.
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also is this going to be another back and forth where you are just going to claim bs, accuse us of shit that we dont think or do, just to again deflect from what you were going to explain?
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my resident AI overlord asked me to share this
I mean, this is obviously the place logiko told us where we should get the explanations to his profound wisdom
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Bro you are so full of shit. On this you explicitly named me, thats why i reacted. otherwise i only react to topics im interested in. Thats how a forum works btw. And im not going to let you tell me anything about nuances, you only care about those when they are convenient because you are a huge hypocrite.
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Yeah i dont give a fuck about whatever you did or said or felt in the past. I've been over people trying to convince me about most of this shit, thats why im telling you all the time, its not that i dont understand your simple ass basic points, i just disagree with them.
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Bro this vaccine shit was one of two things you listed with his supposed far right reactionary fears (big accusation btw) and you dont even remember it.
seriously you are putting in alot of effort to prove @Bisoromi Bear right about you being the king of bad faith argumentation.
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also is this going to be another back and forth where you are just going to claim bs, accuse us of shit that we dont think or do, just to again deflect from what you were going to explain?
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my resident AI overlord asked me to share this
I mean, this is obviously the place logiko told us where we should get the explanations to his profound wisdom
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You can say "nope" all you want, it won't change reality mate
Sure sure
And that's why I don't think I should explain anything. Because in this predicament, you are not being rational, rather close and reactionary minded. You convinced yourself of things and shut yourself off reality, while refusing to challenge any types of self-questioning, completely feeding off your owns biases. This is the opposite of rationality. Disagreement, is a lack of understanding here.
Prove what right? It's funny how you keep making BS up out of nothing. I remember a redflag, I use this memory, end of story. What do you want? The exact post? Sorry, I don't have that time to waste.
I'm not sure you even know what we are fighting about.... I don't to be honest. You are enraging yourself on BS on your own.
Sigh.. If I asked you this, it was not for the AI to give you a factual representation of reality, AI will always side to confort your own biases. If I asked you this, it was for the AI to develop a demonstration that you could understand. So repeat this and this time, on a new convo to avoid biases, ask "Explain why activist says "all men are trash" & why it make sense for them" & Give me the answer.
Sure sure
And that's why I don't think I should explain anything. Because in this predicament, you are not being rational, rather close and reactionary minded. You convinced yourself of things and shut yourself off reality, while refusing to challenge any types of self-questioning, completely feeding off your owns biases. This is the opposite of rationality. Disagreement, is a lack of understanding here.
Prove what right? It's funny how you keep making BS up out of nothing. I remember a redflag, I use this memory, end of story. What do you want? The exact post? Sorry, I don't have that time to waste.
I'm not sure you even know what we are fighting about.... I don't to be honest. You are enraging yourself on BS on your own.
I mean, this is obviously the place logiko told us where we should get the explanations to his profound wisdom
your accusations are not reality, they are delusions
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color me surprised. oh wait, im not surprised at all.
accusing people left and right of dodging shit while running faster from accountability to his claims than usain bolt (is that still the fastest guy around?)
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i stopped taking you even remotely seriously quite some time ago, this is just entertainment, there is absolutely no need to "enrage myself" over what some randos type on an anime forum lmao.
If you get enraged over this stuff, thats pretty sad and maybe you should take another break.
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"go ask women"
"go ask ai"
sadly whenever i actually do its still wrong according to you. i guess AI is also sexist and racist
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i know why, its all about shock value and controversial claims to get a reaction out of people and/or point to systemic issues.
If you want to use fallacious slogans to point to systemic issues instead of just doing it without using antilogical claims, be my guest.
But i have to repeat again: Some of us value logic, so we would just circumvent the antilogical nonsensical slogan "all men are sexist" and just say that modern society is a patriarchal system under which men generally are privileged to an extent and sometimes/often internalize sexist beliefs and values, but there are men who dont succumb to this and actually try to fight against sexism, for which you dont need to throw logic out of the window to ragebait other people with provocative and lazy slogans that are objectively wrong.
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color me surprised. oh wait, im not surprised at all.
accusing people left and right of dodging shit while running faster from accountability to his claims than usain bolt (is that still the fastest guy around?)
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i stopped taking you even remotely seriously quite some time ago, this is just entertainment, there is absolutely no need to "enrage myself" over what some randos type on an anime forum lmao.
If you get enraged over this stuff, thats pretty sad and maybe you should take another break.
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"go ask women"
"go ask ai"
sadly whenever i actually do its still wrong according to you. i guess AI is also sexist and racist
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i know why, its all about shock value and controversial claims to get a reaction out of people and/or point to systemic issues.
If you want to use fallacious slogans to point to systemic issues instead of just doing it without using antilogical claims, be my guest.
But i have to repeat again: Some of us value logic, so we would just circumvent the antilogical nonsensical slogan "all men are sexist" and just say that modern society is a patriarchal system under which men generally are privileged to an extent and sometimes/often internalize sexist beliefs and values, but there are men who dont succumb to this and actually try to fight against sexism, for which you dont need to throw logic out of the window to ragebait other people with provocative and lazy slogans that are objectively wrong.
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The problem is random guilt won't help anybody.
I am exaggerating to drive home a point. What happened to your critical thinking skills all of a sudden?🙄
That they have micro chips in there and the chips from the multiple boosters interact, creating some sort of super chip which is powerful enough to insert the 5G waves directly into our bloodstream where they cause unspeakable damage to our reproductive health, increasing the likelihood of birthing children with autism.
A super chip deep in our brain, after passing the blood brain barrier, will then act as a direct connection to the chemicals emitted by the chemtrails. Imagine it working like a tube that directly blows the chemicals into our hippocampus. The absolute horror that ensues is incomprehensible. This goes beyond mere government control. MI6, the CIA and mossad combined could never impact us in a way they could with the vaccine.
It is THE ideal amplifier, perfectly designed to keep us in line, make us act against our own wishes and harm the people we love the most. Never get close to a vaccinated person, even if it's your parent, your best friend, spouse or dog. Even standing just 2 meters away may be enough to affect you through the airwaves the superchip emits. Don't trust anyone as many will be brainwashed to conceal their vaccination status. Stay safe out there. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!
I am exaggerating to drive home a point. What happened to your critical thinking skills all of a sudden?🙄
That they have micro chips in there and the chips from the multiple boosters interact, creating some sort of super chip which is powerful enough to insert the 5G waves directly into our bloodstream where they cause unspeakable damage to our reproductive health, increasing the likelihood of birthing children with autism.
A super chip deep in our brain, after passing the blood brain barrier, will then act as a direct connection to the chemicals emitted by the chemtrails. Imagine it working like a tube that directly blows the chemicals into our hippocampus. The absolute horror that ensues is incomprehensible. This goes beyond mere government control. MI6, the CIA and mossad combined could never impact us in a way they could with the vaccine.
It is THE ideal amplifier, perfectly designed to keep us in line, make us act against our own wishes and harm the people we love the most. Never get close to a vaccinated person, even if it's your parent, your best friend, spouse or dog. Even standing just 2 meters away may be enough to affect you through the airwaves the superchip emits. Don't trust anyone as many will be brainwashed to conceal their vaccination status. Stay safe out there. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!