Chapter Discussion Becoming pirate king in old era =/= becoming pirate king in current era
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Roger vs Law and Kid and an ocean of lava + bombs, Law and Kid win.
People forget Law and Kid threw the kitchen sink at BM and she was still going on like nothing happened.
People forget Law and Kid threw the kitchen sink at BM and she was still going on like nothing happened.
Roger’s getting taken out by Law and Kid after a few awakening combos. There’s no way he’s landing a clean hit on either of them while they’re charging their ultimates like Shanks did. That’s much harder to pull off in a 1v2, especially when one of your opponents can teleport. Kid Kuma completely blitzed DR Xebec.
Roger becoming Pirate King had absolutely nothing to do with Poneglyphs,
You guys are confusing between what We as Readers know, and what OP Public Know,
After Rocks Era, most Elite Pirates went on to try & Create an Empire for themselves (Everyone was No Different than Crocodile),
Except Roger Pirates who instead of settling down, decided to Journey around The World,
Do you know what that means? It means that while all those Great Pirates made it to International News, Roger Pirates were also making it to Local News all over The World, making them more Famous than anyone else, because They are known both Internationally & Locally anywhere,
Rocks & Similar Pirates = Pirate Activity that reached Worldwide Attention
Roger Pirates = Brought their Pirate Activity to every Area in The World
And Roger's Journey was during Garp's Era (Before it was Rocks Era & before that was Elbaph Era), but since Garp was Credited for taking down Rocks, it became an Era where Marines were seen as Dominant Force of Sea, not Pirate Island or Elbaph Giants, and most Pirates as I mentioned above were trying to create an Empire or Home, except Roger Pirates who managed to remain fully active & on the move for years & years without Garp or any Marine managing to Stop them,
Piracy = Sea Thief, and Roger Pirates were simply Best Thieves, because They targeted entire World & done it for many Years & Marines failed to Stop them, and it was this Journey that led People to say that Roger is Pirate King, because there is no better Pirate Career than that, this Crew proved that They can enter any place, take what they want & then escape safely,
As for One Piece Treasure, it's simply a Name given to what People believed to be Everything Roger collected during his Legendary Run, basically "Everything this World has to Offer", it's the ultimate treasure, so instead of repeating Roger's Career, Pirates in this Era want to directly find what Roger Collected & Hidden, to be considered his Successor & New Pirate King,
Plot Twist is that Roger didn't have any Treasure of his own, but He indeed discovered everything world has to offer, it's Joy Boy's Treasure.
So Overall, Yes, becoming Pirate King in this Era is different than what Roger did, but to say that Roger became Pirate King because of Poneglyphs is completely False, it absolutely had nothing to do with his Achievement, that's only a Plot Reveal meant for us Readers & those at the Top, but from People's Perspective, They gave him that Title & associated him with such Treasure, because He & his Crew indeed achieved The Ultimate Pirate Journey,
You guys are confusing between what We as Readers know, and what OP Public Know,
After Rocks Era, most Elite Pirates went on to try & Create an Empire for themselves (Everyone was No Different than Crocodile),
Except Roger Pirates who instead of settling down, decided to Journey around The World,
Do you know what that means? It means that while all those Great Pirates made it to International News, Roger Pirates were also making it to Local News all over The World, making them more Famous than anyone else, because They are known both Internationally & Locally anywhere,
Rocks & Similar Pirates = Pirate Activity that reached Worldwide Attention
Roger Pirates = Brought their Pirate Activity to every Area in The World
And Roger's Journey was during Garp's Era (Before it was Rocks Era & before that was Elbaph Era), but since Garp was Credited for taking down Rocks, it became an Era where Marines were seen as Dominant Force of Sea, not Pirate Island or Elbaph Giants, and most Pirates as I mentioned above were trying to create an Empire or Home, except Roger Pirates who managed to remain fully active & on the move for years & years without Garp or any Marine managing to Stop them,
Piracy = Sea Thief, and Roger Pirates were simply Best Thieves, because They targeted entire World & done it for many Years & Marines failed to Stop them, and it was this Journey that led People to say that Roger is Pirate King, because there is no better Pirate Career than that, this Crew proved that They can enter any place, take what they want & then escape safely,
As for One Piece Treasure, it's simply a Name given to what People believed to be Everything Roger collected during his Legendary Run, basically "Everything this World has to Offer", it's the ultimate treasure, so instead of repeating Roger's Career, Pirates in this Era want to directly find what Roger Collected & Hidden, to be considered his Successor & New Pirate King,
Plot Twist is that Roger didn't have any Treasure of his own, but He indeed discovered everything world has to offer, it's Joy Boy's Treasure.
So Overall, Yes, becoming Pirate King in this Era is different than what Roger did, but to say that Roger became Pirate King because of Poneglyphs is completely False, it absolutely had nothing to do with his Achievement, that's only a Plot Reveal meant for us Readers & those at the Top, but from People's Perspective, They gave him that Title & associated him with such Treasure, because He & his Crew indeed achieved The Ultimate Pirate Journey,
Of course, Godfy has faced more challenges than anyone else in this era on his path to becoming the Pirate King.
He has defeated three Shichibukai, a top CP agent with the highest pedigree, and even the World’s Strongest Creature, Kaido — despite a few setbacks.
Name anyone other than Xebec who holds such a record.
In this era of “Equal Piece,” where Oda rarely grants decisive victories, Godfy’s feats stand far above anyone else’s.
He has defeated three Shichibukai, a top CP agent with the highest pedigree, and even the World’s Strongest Creature, Kaido — despite a few setbacks.
Name anyone other than Xebec who holds such a record.
In this era of “Equal Piece,” where Oda rarely grants decisive victories, Godfy’s feats stand far above anyone else’s.
I agree with OP.
On top of that One Piece is no longer just a treasure that only pirates seek, compared to what it was in the first chapter.
"The fate of the world now rests in the hands of the one who finds it. The person who lays claim to the One Piece."
Vega Punk's announcement changed One Piece from being Roger's treasure to being the key to ruling the world.
Everyone is in the race now, pirates, marines, revos, WG and its holy knights.
Also we cannot forget that Luffy is Joyboy, and another Davy in Teach (who was already ratted by Shanks lmao). The two main enemies of IMU.
On top of that One Piece is no longer just a treasure that only pirates seek, compared to what it was in the first chapter.
"The fate of the world now rests in the hands of the one who finds it. The person who lays claim to the One Piece."
Vega Punk's announcement changed One Piece from being Roger's treasure to being the key to ruling the world.
Everyone is in the race now, pirates, marines, revos, WG and its holy knights.
Also we cannot forget that Luffy is Joyboy, and another Davy in Teach (who was already ratted by Shanks lmao). The two main enemies of IMU.
It's not about feats, just look at who made the thread.
It's a Big Mom simp. Dude's jealous that Roger is stronger than Big Mom so he's making up cope like "Roger never actually defeated anyone and had multiple equals" when the exact same is true for Big Mom only far worse as she straight up admitted inferiority to Primebeard who's Roger's equal.
There's other Big Mom and/or Law fans in this thread trying hard to prove things like "Roger loses to Law and Kidd for sure!"
It's so sad. They let their love for these characters blind them.
It's a Big Mom simp. Dude's jealous that Roger is stronger than Big Mom so he's making up cope like "Roger never actually defeated anyone and had multiple equals" when the exact same is true for Big Mom only far worse as she straight up admitted inferiority to Primebeard who's Roger's equal.
There's other Big Mom and/or Law fans in this thread trying hard to prove things like "Roger loses to Law and Kidd for sure!"
It's so sad. They let their love for these characters blind them.
Of course. Dodger got incredibly lucky with loden otherwise he would never became PK.
I think this comes down to old man hype in anime in general.
Netero , Yamamoto , hashirama etc are all strongest in their domains throughout most part of the show. Same applies to old man strongest trope in one piece with oda making old WB WSM.
Hence old gen are portrayed to be stronger by some margin. But oda did a bad job showing it when it comes to dodger as oda is allergic to fights.
WB is WSM but haven't defeated any top tiers cleanly. (Sneaked akainu)
Kaido is WSM but on panel didn't beat any top tier outside of oden.
Mihawk is WSS but didn't beat any top tier swordsman on panel to our knowledge.
Roger suffers like the above characters. Didn't beat any top tiers or showed supremacy on them. Closest he came was against a pre ACOC weaker oden.
I think this comes down to old man hype in anime in general.
Netero , Yamamoto , hashirama etc are all strongest in their domains throughout most part of the show. Same applies to old man strongest trope in one piece with oda making old WB WSM.
Hence old gen are portrayed to be stronger by some margin. But oda did a bad job showing it when it comes to dodger as oda is allergic to fights.
WB is WSM but haven't defeated any top tiers cleanly. (Sneaked akainu)
Kaido is WSM but on panel didn't beat any top tier outside of oden.
Mihawk is WSS but didn't beat any top tier swordsman on panel to our knowledge.
Roger suffers like the above characters. Didn't beat any top tiers or showed supremacy on them. Closest he came was against a pre ACOC weaker oden.
I think Rogers journey was tougher. He started clueless, only after he got to LodeStar did he learn about the Poneglyphs. We dont know how the info got out but BM already had one (her spy network was pretty good). Then he had to find someone who could read the RPs. There were not many challengers or competitors for OP except probably BM and IIRC even she didnt know what to do with the RP, she just knew it was important. All the other guys were doing there own piracy shit.
Luffys journey is straight forward, he knows what needs to be done, it is less of an adventure and more of a last man standing type thing.
Luffys journey is straight forward, he knows what needs to be done, it is less of an adventure and more of a last man standing type thing.
Keep in mind, the term "King of the Pirates" seems to have been a term coined by Big News Morgans after Roger found Laugh Tale. It seems like Roger had never heard of that term before the newspapers started calling him that.
(Chapter 968)
The "King of the Pirates" title has always been marketing more than anything else. It just kind of took on a life of it's own. Big News Morgans made up SUCH a cool-sounding name, that every pirate in the world suddenly wanted to be called that, too. Even if it didn't actually mean anything to begin with, it GAINED meaning, from what everyone started imagining it to mean. Everyone's imagination is what gave the title the power that it currently has. It's a lie...that became true. A fantasy story that eventually became real.
(Which COULD mean that Big News Morgans is a parallel to Usopp, whose lies become real. Keep a eye on that, in the future.)
So, becoming "King of the Pirates" was sort of about unlocking the secrets of the Poneglyphs. But, moreso, it was about finding Laugh Tale, and whatever secret is hidden there.
For some reason, people knew that finding Laugh Tale was a big deal, even if they didn't know the specifics of what was on that island. Probably because the World Government made such a big deal about it? But, we still don't really know why finding Laugh Tale made worldwide news. They might have just leaked a twisted version of the facts to put a target on Rogers' back, so other pirates would target him for his "treasure". The World Government may have made him the "King of the Pirates" purely so that other people would do their dirty work for them.
Which would explain why Roger disbanded his crew so quickly after finding Laugh Tale. If the WG puts a target on your back, you split up, so it's harder for them to get everyone in one fell swoop.
So, yes. I agree that being the "King of the Pirates" meant something different for Roger than what it will mean for Luffy. It was probably never about "wealth, fame, and power" originally. It was probably a way to have a bunch of pirates gang up on one crew who managed to learned the secret of the World that the Government wanted to keep hidden. It was a way to put a target on the Roger Pirates back, without having to hunt them down themselves.
But, the term has only gained power over the years. And people's belief has changed what it means. Now, I think it WILL have power. Sometimes, the craziest stories of fantasy end up becoming reality, if people believe in them enough. Sometimes when people WANT something to be real enough, it ends up becoming real.
(Chapter 968)
The "King of the Pirates" title has always been marketing more than anything else. It just kind of took on a life of it's own. Big News Morgans made up SUCH a cool-sounding name, that every pirate in the world suddenly wanted to be called that, too. Even if it didn't actually mean anything to begin with, it GAINED meaning, from what everyone started imagining it to mean. Everyone's imagination is what gave the title the power that it currently has. It's a lie...that became true. A fantasy story that eventually became real.
(Which COULD mean that Big News Morgans is a parallel to Usopp, whose lies become real. Keep a eye on that, in the future.)
So, becoming "King of the Pirates" was sort of about unlocking the secrets of the Poneglyphs. But, moreso, it was about finding Laugh Tale, and whatever secret is hidden there.
For some reason, people knew that finding Laugh Tale was a big deal, even if they didn't know the specifics of what was on that island. Probably because the World Government made such a big deal about it? But, we still don't really know why finding Laugh Tale made worldwide news. They might have just leaked a twisted version of the facts to put a target on Rogers' back, so other pirates would target him for his "treasure". The World Government may have made him the "King of the Pirates" purely so that other people would do their dirty work for them.
Which would explain why Roger disbanded his crew so quickly after finding Laugh Tale. If the WG puts a target on your back, you split up, so it's harder for them to get everyone in one fell swoop.
So, yes. I agree that being the "King of the Pirates" meant something different for Roger than what it will mean for Luffy. It was probably never about "wealth, fame, and power" originally. It was probably a way to have a bunch of pirates gang up on one crew who managed to learned the secret of the World that the Government wanted to keep hidden. It was a way to put a target on the Roger Pirates back, without having to hunt them down themselves.
But, the term has only gained power over the years. And people's belief has changed what it means. Now, I think it WILL have power. Sometimes, the craziest stories of fantasy end up becoming reality, if people believe in them enough. Sometimes when people WANT something to be real enough, it ends up becoming real.
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