If you consider the story of side character filler then only the Marineford Saga is canon material and tit bits here and there. This is nonsense. Everything in post-time skip serve the narration, from the characters to the thematics. It's denser yeah, with more characters, yeah, but it's still goated. If you wanna feel the story flows more effectively, read it in bulk.
Bougya Rate the One Piece Manga Overall
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This is why I explain that we need a more positivity axed system to counter this. Most of your mild opinions on One Piece are actually - for the most part - conditioned by the material condition in which you are reading the story (spoiler, bad opinion, pacing, week by week etc.). And since the interpretation of a story is bilateral, a bad environment equate to a bad opinion of the story.
Besides, if a piece of media that is published weekly needs to be bulk read to be enjoyable then it is fundamentally failing at its job. It should publish monthly like Record of Ragnarok if it's such a supposedly big deal.
Nobody ever says "Bro, you just need to bulk watch Star Wars movies" or "Bulk watch Deep Space 9" or "Just bulk read Harry Potter" or "Bulk read Kingdom manga".
For some reason, the only time I have ever personally heard this excuse for any piece of media, it is for One Piece. Lol.
Nobody ever says "Bro, you just need to bulk watch Star Wars movies" or "Bulk watch Deep Space 9" or "Just bulk read Harry Potter" or "Bulk read Kingdom manga".
For some reason, the only time I have ever personally heard this excuse for any piece of media, it is for One Piece. Lol.
It's definitely deeper than that for people like Logiko. I think in this very thread he said he cried over the manga multiple times, which isn't to shame him for crying over it (I don't cry over most things but I notably cry like a bitch reading 2 Goodnight Punpun chapters, so, I can't judge another man for that) but it shows that he probably wanks it so much because he loves it so much that he really can't see any flaws in it.
It's a crazy amount of obsession and love for the manga.
It's a crazy amount of obsession and love for the manga.
Sorry but if trashing a story becomes a norm in a space, then the space loses its nature of a fanbase and becomes a hatebase. Now, maybe you are okay with that, I'm not, especially when it prevents others from sharing their love or when it pushes people out and monopolizes everything.
Sure.
Yup and I'm one of those, have fun dealing with my opinion :)
It depends on how you value your opinion. If you loved a story on first watch but come back to it and hate it, it means something has changed and not necessarily the story. Like I said, the interpretation of a story is a bilateral process, the story give to you, but you also give from yourself in your own interpretation. When you change, you interpretation change. It's up to you to know how.
It doesn't need. I'm as exited week by week that when I was reading the story 15 to 18 years ago in weekly basis. In fact, in a way, I'm much more invested now that I was then beacuse of the hype. Twitter, reddit and sells seems to agree with that too. So the problem is not the format, but something else. And since the story has been objectively goated for 4/5 arcs, the issues lie with the fanbase.
The reason why I say read in bulk is not only for you to read OP in bulk, but for you to excentred yourself from a toxic environement that is forging your opinion of the story too. I'm talking about this fanbase and the forum. By waiting and reading everything later, you take the same path as reactors who are currently ADORING the show.
And yet, I have critics (that I don't share for different reasons) about One Piece that you won't see on this forum. I have precise issue with the manga and I made the work of dephazing myself from this story long ago. I love One Piece but if this was a fan forum, trust me, I would be considered a hater or at least a pain in the ass. But this forum is not that.
Sure.
Yup and I'm one of those, have fun dealing with my opinion :)
It depends on how you value your opinion. If you loved a story on first watch but come back to it and hate it, it means something has changed and not necessarily the story. Like I said, the interpretation of a story is a bilateral process, the story give to you, but you also give from yourself in your own interpretation. When you change, you interpretation change. It's up to you to know how.
It doesn't need. I'm as exited week by week that when I was reading the story 15 to 18 years ago in weekly basis. In fact, in a way, I'm much more invested now that I was then beacuse of the hype. Twitter, reddit and sells seems to agree with that too. So the problem is not the format, but something else. And since the story has been objectively goated for 4/5 arcs, the issues lie with the fanbase.
The reason why I say read in bulk is not only for you to read OP in bulk, but for you to excentred yourself from a toxic environement that is forging your opinion of the story too. I'm talking about this fanbase and the forum. By waiting and reading everything later, you take the same path as reactors who are currently ADORING the show.
And yet, I have critics (that I don't share for different reasons) about One Piece that you won't see on this forum. I have precise issue with the manga and I made the work of dephazing myself from this story long ago. I love One Piece but if this was a fan forum, trust me, I would be considered a hater or at least a pain in the ass. But this forum is not that.
This is a power scaling forum. That was the original name of the game. The original Worst Gen club on OJ was for a large group of power scalers and memers to power scale in a forum corner. We got exiled to a Discord chat for arbitrary reasons, Bogard later created a forum to replicate the OJ format and now we could power scale and meme on a forum in peace.
It's a power scaling forum with some side quests. It ain't that deep.
Cool. I'm not the one claiming the forum needs to be arbitrarily overhauled to silence people who say things that I don't like. Lol.
Well then the bulk read argument completely falls flat.
I partially bulk read Wano while I was off the forum for like 10 months for work related reasons. My opinion didn't change in the slightest.
Bulk reading Bleach didn't change its dogshit pacing because horrific pacing is horrific pacing no matter how quickly one reads through it.
Bulk reading doesn't work and is a piss poor excuse. Lol.
It's a power scaling forum with some side quests. It ain't that deep.
Cool. I'm not the one claiming the forum needs to be arbitrarily overhauled to silence people who say things that I don't like. Lol.
Well then the bulk read argument completely falls flat.
I partially bulk read Wano while I was off the forum for like 10 months for work related reasons. My opinion didn't change in the slightest.
Bulk reading Bleach didn't change its dogshit pacing because horrific pacing is horrific pacing no matter how quickly one reads through it.
Bulk reading doesn't work and is a piss poor excuse. Lol.
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Because this environment is too much of a firefest to add even more oil. I'm trying to make this forum a more positive space, not to add more fire. That's why I'm mostly posting positive critics unless there is something very hardcore to denounce. It's the same as activism. You do not dogpile someone who is already facing an harassment, it's useless and counterproductive. (unless it's needed).
Note really, what I'm saying is not for critics to stop, but for the environment to change enough so negativity becomes a part of the space instead of being the norm. It hurts to see everyone trashing the story for bad reason, but it hurts even more to see people who want to share their love of the story, not being able to do it without having 5 or 10 people trashing their opinion each threads.
I don't want a place to stop your critic, but for you to have an environment where people can learn to reappreciate it. Because spoiler, the appreciation of a media is also a social process. Which means that the way you live influences what you like. So what I want is simple: it is to transform this place into a space where you could see the wonders that I see in One Piece. It's what a fanbase is.
This is the biggest OP forum. When people want to go to a place, they have the choice between here, Arlong park that is half dead or reddit. As such, there is no place for another forum or another place we are in the place where fan go or run from. And even if that was the case, powerscaling doesn't have to be a place of toxicity. Plus, the problem I'm mentioning extend to the entire fanbase and more.
Not necessarily. For me it works, but for people with massive illegitimate expectations like many people in the fanbase, the weekly reading process is a problem. Both are legit reading method for different type of people. The problem at the moment is that some people who should read in bulk because of their toxic relationship with expectations keep throwing themselves to a week to week basis.
Well I'm sorry for you then.
It's not the same storytelling quality mate.
No. It do work. I for exemple read in bulk certain series and I know I wouldn't appreciate them the same way week to week. But maybe there are other factors entering against your reading process or One Piece is perhaps not just for you at the moment. But it's not a quality problem, it's a taste problem.
I missread. So you saw more problem with it but loved it more ? Good. That's my point. Seeing problems doesn't mean that it's is bad. One Piece is a 1200+ chapters odyssey, there can only be more problems than any other series. BUT looking at these problems contextually devalue their importance. As such, even if you see more problem, your reading environment makes you enjoy it more.
So: 3 problems when reading weekly + bad envionrment: 1. Opinion influenced by negativity (violet) poisoning the reading experience. 2. Devaluation of future experience because of environement + Illegitimate expectation > "it can only be trash now" 3. What are small problems or even socially constructed ones takes the ENTIRE place. When in reality, they are small and insignificant.
The experience of such story is social first. So the point is not necessarily to get to this, but at the very least to allow the fanbase togrow positively instead of negatively. Making this forum a new beacon for the fanbase instead of being a repulsive void of powerscaling & toxic negativity that people are stayin away from. I have solutions, now, you need to trust me. Unless you don't care & in which case.
Note really, what I'm saying is not for critics to stop, but for the environment to change enough so negativity becomes a part of the space instead of being the norm. It hurts to see everyone trashing the story for bad reason, but it hurts even more to see people who want to share their love of the story, not being able to do it without having 5 or 10 people trashing their opinion each threads.
I don't want a place to stop your critic, but for you to have an environment where people can learn to reappreciate it. Because spoiler, the appreciation of a media is also a social process. Which means that the way you live influences what you like. So what I want is simple: it is to transform this place into a space where you could see the wonders that I see in One Piece. It's what a fanbase is.
This is the biggest OP forum. When people want to go to a place, they have the choice between here, Arlong park that is half dead or reddit. As such, there is no place for another forum or another place we are in the place where fan go or run from. And even if that was the case, powerscaling doesn't have to be a place of toxicity. Plus, the problem I'm mentioning extend to the entire fanbase and more.
Not necessarily. For me it works, but for people with massive illegitimate expectations like many people in the fanbase, the weekly reading process is a problem. Both are legit reading method for different type of people. The problem at the moment is that some people who should read in bulk because of their toxic relationship with expectations keep throwing themselves to a week to week basis.
Well I'm sorry for you then.
It's not the same storytelling quality mate.
No. It do work. I for exemple read in bulk certain series and I know I wouldn't appreciate them the same way week to week. But maybe there are other factors entering against your reading process or One Piece is perhaps not just for you at the moment. But it's not a quality problem, it's a taste problem.
I missread. So you saw more problem with it but loved it more ? Good. That's my point. Seeing problems doesn't mean that it's is bad. One Piece is a 1200+ chapters odyssey, there can only be more problems than any other series. BUT looking at these problems contextually devalue their importance. As such, even if you see more problem, your reading environment makes you enjoy it more.
So: 3 problems when reading weekly + bad envionrment: 1. Opinion influenced by negativity (violet) poisoning the reading experience. 2. Devaluation of future experience because of environement + Illegitimate expectation > "it can only be trash now" 3. What are small problems or even socially constructed ones takes the ENTIRE place. When in reality, they are small and insignificant.
The experience of such story is social first. So the point is not necessarily to get to this, but at the very least to allow the fanbase togrow positively instead of negatively. Making this forum a new beacon for the fanbase instead of being a repulsive void of powerscaling & toxic negativity that people are stayin away from. I have solutions, now, you need to trust me. Unless you don't care & in which case.
I'm pretty sure it's the same deal. The problem is bigger than worstgen or the one piece fanbase. It's something related to the way we consume stories and interact with them. It's just much stronger with OP because and the weekly experience. But I see the same problems in other places. The size of Worstgen doesn't matter to me. It's the principle that is important. I'm just attached to this forum for now.
Up to Wano Country I honestly loved every bit (even the imperfections), after that, including Wano, in my personal opinion, Oda ran out of ideas and is a lot less creative than he used to be. Story has become incredibly predictable and repetitive to the point I’m bored. Still a great read up to Wano hence this is easily 7/10.
Been following One piece close to 13 years soon. Times flies.
Been following One piece close to 13 years soon. Times flies.
1. The number is important 10 scabbard, 10 strawhats. Oda probably wanted to create the doubt on top of making a reference to kurozawa.. 2. Kiku represents the more emotional and naive side of the Akazaya. The person that has the hardest time to detach from the past and Kanjuro. 3. She also brings weight to the Kabuki plays through her trans representation.
Because this environment is too much of a firefest to add even more oil. I'm trying to make this forum a more positive space, not to add more fire. That's why I'm mostly posting positive critics unless there is something very hardcore to denounce. It's the same as activism. You do not dogpile someone who is already facing an harassment, it's useless and counterproductive. (unless it's needed).
Note really, what I'm saying is not for critics to stop, but for the environment to change enough so negativity becomes a part of the space instead of being the norm. It hurts to see everyone trashing the story for bad reason, but it hurts even more to see people who want to share their love of the story, not being able to do it without having 5 or 10 people trashing their opinion each threads.
I don't want a place to stop your critic, but for you to have an environment where people can learn to reappreciate it. Because spoiler, the appreciation of a media is also a social process. Which means that the way you live influences what you like. So what I want is simple: it is to transform this place into a space where you could see the wonders that I see in One Piece. It's what a fanbase is.
This is the biggest OP forum. When people want to go to a place, they have the choice between here, Arlong park that is half dead or reddit. As such, there is no place for another forum or another place we are in the place where fan go or run from. And even if that was the case, powerscaling doesn't have to be a place of toxicity. Plus, the problem I'm mentioning extend to the entire fanbase and more.
Not necessarily. For me it works, but for people with massive illegitimate expectations like many people in the fanbase, the weekly reading process is a problem. Both are legit reading method for different type of people. The problem at the moment is that some people who should read in bulk because of their toxic relationship with expectations keep throwing themselves to a week to week basis.
Well I'm sorry for you then.
It's not the same storytelling quality mate.
No. It do work. I for exemple read in bulk certain series and I know I wouldn't appreciate them the same way week to week. But maybe there are other factors entering against your reading process or One Piece is perhaps not just for you at the moment. But it's not a quality problem, it's a taste problem.
I missread. So you saw more problem with it but loved it more ? Good. That's my point. Seeing problems doesn't mean that it's is bad. One Piece is a 1200+ chapters odyssey, there can only be more problems than any other series. BUT looking at these problems contextually devalue their importance. As such, even if you see more problem, your reading environment makes you enjoy it more.
So: 3 problems when reading weekly + bad envionrment: 1. Opinion influenced by negativity (violet) poisoning the reading experience. 2. Devaluation of future experience because of environement + Illegitimate expectation > "it can only be trash now" 3. What are small problems or even socially constructed ones takes the ENTIRE place. When in reality, they are small and insignificant.
The experience of such story is social first. So the point is not necessarily to get to this, but at the very least to allow the fanbase togrow positively instead of negatively. Making this forum a new beacon for the fanbase instead of being a repulsive void of powerscaling & toxic negativity that people are stayin away from. I have solutions, now, you need to trust me. Unless you don't care & in which case.
Note really, what I'm saying is not for critics to stop, but for the environment to change enough so negativity becomes a part of the space instead of being the norm. It hurts to see everyone trashing the story for bad reason, but it hurts even more to see people who want to share their love of the story, not being able to do it without having 5 or 10 people trashing their opinion each threads.
I don't want a place to stop your critic, but for you to have an environment where people can learn to reappreciate it. Because spoiler, the appreciation of a media is also a social process. Which means that the way you live influences what you like. So what I want is simple: it is to transform this place into a space where you could see the wonders that I see in One Piece. It's what a fanbase is.
This is the biggest OP forum. When people want to go to a place, they have the choice between here, Arlong park that is half dead or reddit. As such, there is no place for another forum or another place we are in the place where fan go or run from. And even if that was the case, powerscaling doesn't have to be a place of toxicity. Plus, the problem I'm mentioning extend to the entire fanbase and more.
Not necessarily. For me it works, but for people with massive illegitimate expectations like many people in the fanbase, the weekly reading process is a problem. Both are legit reading method for different type of people. The problem at the moment is that some people who should read in bulk because of their toxic relationship with expectations keep throwing themselves to a week to week basis.
Well I'm sorry for you then.
It's not the same storytelling quality mate.
No. It do work. I for exemple read in bulk certain series and I know I wouldn't appreciate them the same way week to week. But maybe there are other factors entering against your reading process or One Piece is perhaps not just for you at the moment. But it's not a quality problem, it's a taste problem.
I missread. So you saw more problem with it but loved it more ? Good. That's my point. Seeing problems doesn't mean that it's is bad. One Piece is a 1200+ chapters odyssey, there can only be more problems than any other series. BUT looking at these problems contextually devalue their importance. As such, even if you see more problem, your reading environment makes you enjoy it more.
So: 3 problems when reading weekly + bad envionrment: 1. Opinion influenced by negativity (violet) poisoning the reading experience. 2. Devaluation of future experience because of environement + Illegitimate expectation > "it can only be trash now" 3. What are small problems or even socially constructed ones takes the ENTIRE place. When in reality, they are small and insignificant.
The experience of such story is social first. So the point is not necessarily to get to this, but at the very least to allow the fanbase togrow positively instead of negatively. Making this forum a new beacon for the fanbase instead of being a repulsive void of powerscaling & toxic negativity that people are stayin away from. I have solutions, now, you need to trust me. Unless you don't care & in which case.
Us weekly Peak Piece readers are the enlightened folks who "get it" and shouldn't bother with "critical thinkers" who seethe online. Some battles are shameful to engage in even if you win. Just as a dinosaur wouldn’t pause to argue with every ant in its path, no OP critic deserves our attention. Become a dinosaur Logiko
