Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love

[Doggo]

Reiju was able to develop emotions yet she can't use fire.

No no no no no no no.
That's now how it worked at all.

The fact that the germa siblings dont have emotions, doesn't mean they dont "feel".
Reiju was able to becomic someone with empathy, because she was raised by Sora. She has the same modifications as the others. Sora's love was able to counter a bit of the "no heart" thing, but Reiju still can't disobey Judge.
When the quadruplets are born, Sora got ill because of the drug. The drug managed to put Sanji's modifications into a dormant state, that's why he never developed the exoskeleton, strenght, or "no emotion" thing.

But the difference between Reiju and the triplets, is that they weren't close to Sora as she was. Sora was too sick to raise them and died soon. They were raised by Judge alone. That's why they grow up being absolutely dicks, thinking they are better than everyone else etc, because those were values taught to them by Judge.

But just like Sora's love was able to counter a bit of that for Reiju, Sanji's decision to save them at the wedding also served as a catalyst to do the same for the triplets. That's why they decide to save him in the end. Also how they would decide to go back for Niji and Yonji. Before they would have accepted their capture and leave, just like they accepted their death at the wedding.

So, the Raid Suit broke that "dormant" state and made sanji able to activate his latent abilities, but since his "love" is too "Strong", the "no heart" modification is never able to dominate him (at least not easily).

But DJ was before that. Sanji becoming a powerhouse was before that.
Sanji grew strong when raised by Zeff, his adoptive father. Sanji stated multiple times that his "love" or "passion" burns hotter than flames, etc.

And we know "power of love" is an actual thing not only because of Garp, but also because of the Buccaneers.

Schooled.

 

[kekaro]

Frauds liking other frauds post circle jerking
Purge when

 

[Doggo]

Frauds liking other frauds post circle jerking
Purge when

Nice avy.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

No no no no no no no.
That's now how it worked at all.

The fact that the germa siblings dont have emotions, doesn't mean they dont "feel".
Reiju was able to becomic someone with empathy, because she was raised by Sora. She has the same modifications as the others. Sora's love was able to counter a bit of the "no heart" thing, but Reiju still can't disobey Judge.
When the quadruplets are born, Sora got ill because of the drug. The drug managed to put Sanji's modifications into a dormant state, that's why he never developed the exoskeleton, strenght, or "no emotion" thing.

But the difference between Reiju and the triplets, is that they weren't close to Sora as she was. Sora was too sick to raise them and died soon. They were raised by Judge alone. That's why they grow up being absolutely dicks, thinking they are better than everyone else etc, because those were values taught to them by Judge.

But just like Sora's love was able to counter a bit of that for Reiju, Sanji's decision to save them at the wedding also served as a catalyst to do the same for the triplets. That's why they decide to save him in the end. Also how they would decide to go back for Niji and Yonji. Before they would have accepted their capture and leave, just like they accepted their death at the wedding.

So, the Raid Suit broke that "dormant" state and made sanji able to activate his latent abilities, but since his "love" is too "Strong", the "no heart" modification is never able to dominate him (at least not easily).

But DJ was before that. Sanji becoming a powerhouse was before that.
Sanji grew strong when raised by Zeff, his adoptive father. Sanji stated multiple times that his "love" or "passion" burns hotter than flames, etc.

And we know "power of love" is an actual thing not only because of Garp, but also because of the Buccaneers.

Schooled.

All this writing for Saturn's hypetool?

 

[RayanOO]

We’ll be lucky to get an extreme diff against Vasco Shot eventually

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It's always possible Oda just won't explain Sanji's fire powers as he never explained how Luffy, Kinemon and Zoro could summon flames either

Fire isn’t Zoro main thing. And I do think Oda will explain one day ashura etc

Luffy was kinda « explained » by the speed and friction ?

For Sanji it’s far more important it’s directly related to his main fighting style, his emotions etc

I think there are good chances Oda will explain it one day

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

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Fire isn’t Zoro main thing. And I do think Oda will explain one day ashura etc

Luffy was kinda « explained » by the speed and friction ?

For Sanji it’s far more important it’s directly related to his main fighting style, his emotions etc

I think there are good chances Oda will explain it one day

Ngl I thought Sanji made DJ with friction and speed too and had just used Armament Haki for it (not impossible as Zoro also had Armament Haki pre ts). But it might be something different.
Could be PoL, but I feel like PoL will just be his own name for Conq Haki like how Observation Haki is called Mantra in the Sky Islands.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The only thing Oda said was that Judge's enhancements didn't work on Sanji before the RS awoke them, which we already knew. That's what he was referring to when he talked about the power of science, it has nothing to do with the drug Sora took.

Reiju was able to develop emotions yet she can't use fire.

What Oda said in the SBS makes it pretty clear he intends to explain it. There's a reason he says Sanji's resistance to fire is strange and implies there's more to it we're gonna find out later.

The difference with Luffy, Kinemon and Zoro is clear. Luffy uses haki to protect himself, Kinemon and Zoro can only do it with weapons. Why can Sanji just set his own leg on fire without hurting himself and with no need to protect himself in some way when he does so (I'm talking about regular flames obviously, not the blue ones)? There's a reason Oda pointed at that specifically and thinks it's strange.

Oda said the power of science didn’t awaken in Sanji till Wano. That means all science, otherwise he would’ve specified judges enhancements. If it was the drug it would’ve worked on all of Sanjis brothers too. But it didn’t.

 

[Doggo]

Ngl I thought Sanji made DJ with friction and speed too and had just used Armament Haki for it (not impossible as Zoro also had Armament Haki pre ts). But it might be something different.
Could be PoL, but I feel like PoL will just be his own name for Conq Haki like how Observation Haki is called Mantra in the Sky Islands.

He did at first.
Then Oda decided on something else.
This man changed so much about his ideas as he went on. It's not even subtle.

 

[RayanOO]

He did at first.
Then Oda decided on something else.
This man changed so much about his ideas as he went on. It's not even subtle.

Sadly I think Nika was always on the table
Same as Imu and Joyboy

 

[Royal Kick]

No no no no no no no.
That's now how it worked at all.

The fact that the germa siblings dont have emotions, doesn't mean they dont "feel".
Reiju was able to becomic someone with empathy, because she was raised by Sora. She has the same modifications as the others. Sora's love was able to counter a bit of the "no heart" thing, but Reiju still can't disobey Judge.
When the quadruplets are born, Sora got ill because of the drug. The drug managed to put Sanji's modifications into a dormant state, that's why he never developed the exoskeleton, strenght, or "no emotion" thing.

But the difference between Reiju and the triplets, is that they weren't close to Sora as she was. Sora was too sick to raise them and died soon. They were raised by Judge alone. That's why they grow up being absolutely dicks, thinking they are better than everyone else etc, because those were values taught to them by Judge.

But just like Sora's love was able to counter a bit of that for Reiju, Sanji's decision to save them at the wedding also served as a catalyst to do the same for the triplets. That's why they decide to save him in the end. Also how they would decide to go back for Niji and Yonji. Before they would have accepted their capture and leave, just like they accepted their death at the wedding.

So, the Raid Suit broke that "dormant" state and made sanji able to activate his latent abilities, but since his "love" is too "Strong", the "no heart" modification is never able to dominate him (at least not easily).

But DJ was before that. Sanji becoming a powerhouse was before that.
Sanji grew strong when raised by Zeff, his adoptive father. Sanji stated multiple times that his "love" or "passion" burns hotter than flames, etc.

And we know "power of love" is an actual thing not only because of Garp, but also because of the Buccaneers.

Schooled.

Bro, literally none of your points contradicts what I said in any shape or form. You proceeded to state the obvious and say everything we already know. Like how does the fact Sanji could use DJ before awakening his super genes contradict my point when I literally said multiple times DJ has nothing to do with Judge's enhancements? When did I claim Sanji's genes weren't dormant before Wano? When did I deny Reiju developed emotions thanks to Sora? But sure, you "schooled" me.

Sanji's siblings couldn't experience things like sadness, fear or empathy, but Reiju could, even if she couldn't disobey her father. The fact Sora was the reason she could, doesn't change that. And it's worth noting that Reiju wasn't born that way, Judge "enhanced" her after her birth, which is why Judge's desire to turn his children into emotionless machines only became an issue when Sora was pregnant with the quadruplets.

Oda said the power of science didn’t awaken in Sanji till Wano. That means all science, otherwise he would’ve specified judges enhancements. If it was the drug it would’ve worked on all of Sanjis brothers too. But it didn’t.

The drug canonically affected Sanji only, that's the reason he's the only one whose enhancements stayed dormant. So if the drug is indeed the reason he can use those flames, it makes perfect sense he's the only one who can do that.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Bro, literally none of your points contradicts what I said in any shape or form. You proceeded to state the obvious and say everything we already know. Like how does the fact Sanji could use DJ before awakening his super genes contradict my point when I literally said multiple times DJ has nothing to do with Judge's enhancements? When did I claim Sanji's genes weren't dormant before Wano? When did I deny Reiju developed emotions thanks to Sora? But sure, you "schooled" me.

Sanji's siblings couldn't experience things like sadness, fear or empathy, but Reiju could, even if she couldn't disobey her father. The fact Sora was the reason she could, doesn't change that. And it's worth noting that Reiju wasn't born that way, Judge "enhanced" her after her birth, which is why Judge's desire to turn his children into emotionless machines only became an issue when Sora was pregnant with the quadruplets.


The drug canonically affected Sanji only, that's the reason he's the only one whose enhancements stayed dormant. So if the drug is indeed the reason he can use those flames, it makes perfect sense he's the only one who can do that.

The drug did nothing. It’s stated “no medicine can change the blueprint of the human body.” If a drug was what saved Sanji, why didn’t it save the others? If science is the reason for Sanji being normal how come it only worked on one individual?

 

[Julius]

If science is the reason for Sanji being normal how come it only worked on one individual?

 

[Royal Kick]

The drug did nothing. It’s stated “no medicine can change the blueprint of the human body.” If a drug was what saved Sanji, why didn’t it save the others? If science is the reason for Sanji being normal how come it only worked on one individual?

Because it's the kind of thing that works in a random and unpredictable way, just like some children can get diseases because of their mother's condition when their siblings don't. It can work that way with twins/triplets/quadruplets too, some of them can suffer consequences of illness, products, etc. with the other ones being totally unaffected by those factors. The randomness of those things is very accurate scientifically.

 

[Raiden7]

The drug did nothing. It’s stated “no medicine can change the blueprint of the human body.” If a drug was what saved Sanji, why didn’t it save the others? If science is the reason for Sanji being normal how come it only worked on one individual?

It could be casual.

The fact is that with the information we have, it could be anything. No one is wrong, but no one is right as well at least until Oda do not explain better what is going on with Sanji.

The drug worked only on Sanji and he got some secret power that is unleashed by his emotions.
The drug did not work and Diable Jambe it's just haki. Sanji's ambition is so strong that he is able to conjure flames at his will.
The drug worked only on Sanji and it was a mixture of dna from some ancient races (lunarian or whatever) and he is able to use fire at will.
The drug is not important at all and Sanji was the only one who inherited Sora's lineage which is probably something ancient.
And so on.

Those are just few examples that could fit what happened to Sanji.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Because it's the kind of thing that works in a random and unpredictable way, just like some children can get diseases because of their mother's condition when their siblings don't. It can work that way with twins/triplets/quadruplets too, some of them can suffer consequences of illness, products, etc. with the other ones being totally unaffected by those factors. The randomness of those things is very accurate scientifically.

But Sanji and his siblings were identical. Their genetics were the same so your example doesn’t work because that only happens because of genetics. But this medicine that’s designed to change the entire genetic makeup of the vinsmokes only worked in one when they all have the same genetic make up and the same environment?

That’s not how any of that works.

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It could be casual.

The fact is that with the information we have, it could be anything. No one is wrong, but no one is right as well at least until Oda do not explain better what is going on with Sanji.

The drug worked only on Sanji and he got some secret power that is unleashed by his emotions.
The drug did not work and Diable Jambe it's just haki. Sanji's ambition is so strong that he is able to conjure flames at his will.
The drug worked only on Sanji and it was a mixture of dna from some ancient races (lunarian or whatever) and he is able to use fire at will.
The drug is not important at all and Sanji was the only one who inherited Sora's lineage which is probably something ancient.
And so on.

Those are just few examples that could fit what happened to Sanji.

The problem with the medicine angle is the science arc about Vegapunk (the only genius who may have been able to invent such a medicine) came and went with zero mention of it despite Sanji and Vegapunk spending time together. Even moreso, the current theory that the medicine had the lineage factor of buccaneers is downright impossible because Vegapunk didn’t know that buccaneers were still alive until Sanji was already working at the Baratie with Zeff.

 

[Royal Kick]

It could be casual.

The fact is that with the information we have, it could be anything. No one is wrong, but no one is right as well at least until Oda do not explain better what is going on with Sanji.

The drug worked only on Sanji and he got some secret power that is unleashed by his emotions.
The drug did not work and Diable Jambe it's just haki. Sanji's ambition is so strong that he is able to conjure flames at his will.
The drug worked only on Sanji and it was a mixture of dna from some ancient races (lunarian or whatever) and he is able to use fire at will.
The drug is not important at all and Sanji was the only one who inherited Sora's lineage which is probably something ancient.
And so on.

Those are just few examples that could fit what happened to Sanji.

You mean like a recessive gene?

But Sanji and his siblings were identical. Their genetics were the same so your example doesn’t work because that only happens because of genetics. But this medicine that’s designed to change the entire genetic makeup of the vinsmokes only worked in one when they all have the same genetic make up and the same environment?

That’s not how any of that works.

They're not identical, they're non-identical quadruplets, so their genetic makeup isn't actually identical. And even if they were identical, it has absolutely nothing to do with the random effects of drugs, diseases, etc. For example, you can have an identical twin who suffers the consequences of a pregnant woman abusing drugs or having an accident, the randomness of how they're affected is completely unrelated to their genetic makeup.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

You mean like a recessive gene?


They're not identical, they're non-identical quadruplets, so their genetic makeup isn't actually identical. And even if they were identical, it has absolutely nothing to do with the random effects of drugs, diseases, etc. For example, you can have an identical twin who suffers the consequences of a pregnant woman abusing drugs or having an accident, the randomness of how they're affected is completely unrelated to their genetic makeup.

They are identical? Where’s it stated they’re non identical?

 

[Royal Kick]

They are identical? Where’s it stated they’re non identical?

We can see they're not physically identical like Saint Shanks and Shamrock are (obviously I'm not counting the different hair color/powers because that's the product of the lineage manipulation). Also, it's extremely rare for quadruplets to be identical, the opposite is far more common.

But like I said, it makes absolutely no difference, them being identical or non-identical has no relation to the randomness of how they'd be affected by a drug, accident, etc. If you think it does, it's pretty much like saying two identical brothers would suffer the exact same injury if a wardrobe fell on both of them at the same time, that makes no sense.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Honestly I can't wait for Kuma to come back.
Might be the one that gives us a bit of expose on PoL

Again brothers in christ, Oda revealed this ability last arc for a reason so it's most likely gonna get fully fleshed out in this arc.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

He did at first.
Then Oda decided on something else.
This man changed so much about his ideas as he went on. It's not even subtle.

(because he's a hack)