Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1167 Spoilers Discussion

I'm just stating a fact from the manga lol. That's all I ever do on here, for the most part.
Garp and Sengoku are the Marine version of Roger and Whitebeard.
There's no fact that they're equals.

They're on the same level yes. Just as Ray/Roger/Newgate/Shiki/Garp/Sengoku are on the same level. But that's about it.

Unless you think Sengoku is top 1 of his era alongside Garp?
 
Stop it, give @Ven437 credit when credit is due.
They're never correct on anything, why would that change now?
We don't even know the context of it. We don't know how Harald vs Big Mom would've went down if it did happen.
It's easy to just say things like "Shiki lost to Roger", that'd make you think he's just plain inferior. But with the added context of a storm happening you now know that he didn't lose because he was weaker.
 
Watch, the Yonko are the only pirates Harald couldn't defeat, and that's how the system was born.
@ZenZu Design scaling wins again.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s retarded that Roger and Garp weren’t in their primes at GV (the most important event of their lives), despite being damn near 40, but Oda is clearly autistic about top tiers only reaching their prime in their 40s, and tbh I don’t think Oda is even aware Roger is supposed to be 39 atp with how young he makes him look. It would be kinda weird for Roger to be in his prime when he doesn’t even have his most iconic physical trait (his mustache) yet. Also, you can’t tell me that GV Sengoku is in his prime when the dude looks like he’s not even 25 yet
 
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