Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1167 Spoilers Discussion

@ZenZu Design scaling wins again.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s retarded that Roger and Garp weren’t in their primes at GV (the most important event of their lives), despite being damn near 40, but Oda is clearly autistic about top tiers only reaching their prime in their 40s, and tbh I don’t think Oda is even aware Roger is supposed to be 39 atp with how young he makes him look. It would be kinda weird for Roger to be in his prime when he doesn’t even have his most iconic physical trait (his mustache) yet. Also, you can’t tell me that GV Sengoku is in his prime when the dude looks like he’s not even 25 yet
Oda said "a young Whitebeard, Kaido and Big Mom", essentially putting them all into a "non-prime" state.

Considering Roger and WB are essentially the same gen, it's clear none of them were in their primes.
 

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@ZenZu Design scaling wins again.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s retarded that Roger and Garp weren’t in their primes at GV (the most important event of their lives), despite being damn near 40, but Oda is clearly autistic about top tiers only reaching their prime in their 40s, and tbh I don’t think Oda is even aware Roger is supposed to be 39 atp with how young he makes him look. It would be kinda weird for Roger to be in his prime when he doesn’t even have his most iconic physical trait (his mustache) yet. Also, you can’t tell me that GV Sengoku is in his prime when the dude looks like he’s not even 25 yet
Idk what you're yapping about tbh.
 
Mofos jumping the gun again with Shamrock. How many times will y'all get burned by Oda before you learn :lawsigh:
Even if two people have the same talent their experiences will largely determine how high they'd go, one character is a Yonko that's tangoing with the likes of Whitebeard, Kaido etc. and was dwelling regularly with Mihawk where as one is a Holy Knight who mostly trampling on weaklings for the most part. Moreover Shanks became a Yonko 9 years after the events playing out here, so that Shanks is most likely much stronger than the one in this flashback.

Not saying Shamrock will be a scrub, he will most likely be strong given his talent in swordsmanship but let's stop with this Yonko/Admiral level ting for every character lol. If Shamrock was said level he'd have a rank befitting that.

Also Shamrock is not fighting Luffy for fucksakes. Sometimes I wonder what manga some of y'all are reading if you're just taking the piss some times lol. We have bloody Imu descending on Elbaf and mofos talking Shamrock vs Luffy :lawsigh:

Anyways imo Shamrock is looking like a Loki fight. It's already been telegraphed as such.
Moroever his rank makes sense if you consider that Loki could potentially join the SHs coz Oda likes to separate the wing's opponents from the rest as we saw with Jinbe on Wano. Personally I don't really mind Loki fighting a character on the same level as those two tbh but if he's tryna set the wings apart even with Loki's addition then the wings fighting the Gorosei and Loki fighting Shamrock will fit.
 

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The only one who can beat me is me
Check out Ven post. Larald, equal of Xebec, failed to beat Big Mom. We know that Loki kills Domi Harald, which wouldn’t make any sense if Base Harald is a >= PK level character. Harald was Yonko- level all along and the PK trio didn’t reach their primes until their 40s
What happened? Did he fight Big Mom? I'm not following this separate Big Mom version of One Piece, you're gonna have to clue me in on what the lore is in this fanfic before I can even respond to it.
 
You had dipshits saying Harald was > PK Roger. He couldn't even clean up the "mere Yonkos".
Harald plays a role in a duo that appears to be stronger than Roger and WB, so I don´t see the issue with that conclusion? Xebec believed that with Harald he could conquer the world and beat Imcel, while the Gorosei believed that Harald could potentially kill Xebec

How is he supposed to clear out the Yonko when he wasn´t ordered too, nor was it his goal?
 
Harald plays a role in a duo that appears to be stronger than Roger and WB, so I don´t see the issue with that conclusion? Xebec believed that with Harald he could conquer the world and beat Imcel, while the Gorosei believed that Harald could potentially kill Xebec

How is he supposed to clear out the Yonko when he wasn´t ordered too, nor was it his goal?
Have you missed the last 3 pages? It was literally his job to clean up pirates and they clashed with BM at some point.
 
Have you missed the last 3 pages? It was literally his job to clean up pirates and they clashed with BM at some point.
The WG had him chase some pirates, but they never ordered him to specifically go after the Yonko.

No, Harald never canonically clashed with Big Mom, Goldbergs dad did. Harald is believed to be a peaceful man by everyone in Elbaf, he did not lead an invasion into totoland. Giants do pillage behind countries behind his back, as we saw literally last chapter
 
What happened? Did he fight Big Mom? I'm not following this separate Big Mom version of One Piece, you're gonna have to clue me in on what the lore is in this fanfic before I can even respond to it.
Imu sent Harald to take out pirate crews

Goldberg got a Homie shield from when his dad participated in an attack on Big Mom.

The details line up too nicely. Goldberg’s dad followed Harald into battle against the BMPs, which ended with Harald failing to take out Big Mom
 

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The only one who can beat me is me
Imu sent Harald to take out pirate crews

Goldberg got a Homie shield from when his dad participated in an attack on Big Mom.

The details line up too nicely. Goldberg’s dad followed Harald into battle against the BMPs, which ended with Harald failing to take out Big Mom
:suresure: don't waste my time man. Stop tagging me in this shit. The only Goldberg I know was a wrestler.
 
The WG had him chase some pirates, but they never ordered him to specifically go after the Yonko.

No, Harald never canonically clashed with Big Mom, Goldbergs dad did. Harald is believed to be a peaceful man by everyone in Elbaf, he did not lead an invasion into totoland. Giants do pillage behind countries behind his back, as we saw literally last chapter
Yes, Goldberg's dad went into Yonko territory trying to take on BM by himself.
 
Mofos jumping the gun again with Shamrock. How many times will y'all get burned by Oda before you learn :lawsigh:
Even if two people have the same talent their experiences will largely determine how high they'd go, one character is a Yonko that's tangoing with the likes of Whitebeard, Kaido etc. and was dwelling regularly with Mihawk where as one is a Holy Knight who mostly trampling on weaklings for the most part. Moreover Shanks became a Yonko 9 years after the events playing out here, so that Shanks is most likely much stronger than the one in this flashback.

Not saying Shamrock will be a scrub, he will most likely be strong given his talent in swordsmanship but let's stop with this Yonko/Admiral level ting for every character lol. If Shamrock was said level he'd have a rank befitting that.

Also Shamrock is not fighting Luffy for fucksakes. Sometimes I wonder what manga some of y'all are reading if you're just taking the piss some times lol. We have bloody Imu descending on Elbaf and mofos talking Shamrock vs Luffy :lawsigh:

Anyways imo Shamrock is looking like a Loki fight. It's already been telegraphed as such.
Moroever his rank makes sense if you consider that Loki could potentially join the SHs coz Oda likes to separate the wing's opponents from the rest as we saw with Jinbe on Wano. Personally I don't really mind Loki fighting a character on the same level as those two tbh but if he's tryna set the wings apart even with Loki's addition then the wings fighting the Gorosei and Loki fighting Shamrock will fit.
Who's to say Shamrock wasn't tangoing with The Great Warcury or The Great Nusjuro? HMMM
Both of them being stronger than anybody Shanks could've faced.

On a serious note.

His most famous fight is the duels with Mihawk, which ended after he lost the arm, 12 years ago. He was still a HK 15 years ago. So the likelihood is that the duels happened while he was a HK.

So i don't really know what big time fights he could've/would've had that would leapt his experience past Shamrock.
 
@Shiroyru Lmao, weren´t you against the idea that Hajrudin and Loki even knew about the Gods Knights existing? Do you now suddenly think they were aware of their dads being publically associated with the group,with him leading public attacks on Yonkos from Elbaf warriors, and somehow no one in Elbaf talks about it?
 
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