Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1167 Spoilers Discussion

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yeah seeing how Goldberg says it was “way back” makes me think this was pre Rox BM. Remember to Gaban a decade was like 2-3 years ago.

It's most likely just referring to the numerous times they tried to kill her back when she lived on Elbaf. Something like that
If Harald went after Big Mom we'd definitely know it happened. A clash between top tiers will always leave crazy effects on the environment and whatever people may be nearby (even though Harald is a level above Big Mom)

 

[soupongo]

Why is it silly?

There's nothing that cemented him above Roger and Garp, rather the man was treated as the 3rd guy behind them in his own flashback by the narrator. The amped up Xebec??

Harald was played as Xebecs exact equal as more then anyone else in the flashback...?
The one he had a legendary clash with, hyped by the narrator
The one Xebec really respected, and wanted to partner up with equally, not even just join his crew. Xebec didn´t care about his crews infighting or not disrespecting him, but he personally kicked Kaido for saying they should use dirty tactics against Harald
Gorosei want Harald to kill Xebec, they have a fight while both mentally nerfed
Xebec tells Harald his real name, I would say paralleling, but it´s pretty much an exact reference to Roja telling his name to his equal WB
Xebec literally got especially pissed at Imcel saying he wants to take control of the giants, more then when Imcel was talking about wiping out his clan, which includes his wife and son..... This is literally Naruto level of gay bromance.

What did Xebec really have with Garp and Roja in comparison?

 

[Ven437]

Mama's off-screen feats breaking several agendas for the millionth time amongst "PK" tier fighters

 

[Shiroyru]

@Ven437 Remember that it was mentioned that Elbaf’s two weaknesses are fire and lightning (BM’s 2 elements), and that one of the branches got destroyed by fire and lightning several years ago.

One odd detail is how there’s a Road Poneglyph on WCI for some reason, even though WCI was a random, irrelevant island before BM and Streusen terraformed it. The other 3 RPs were on very important islands that were key Joyboy allies (FMI, Zou, Wano). It would make sense if the WCI RP was originally located on Elbaf, another very important Joyboy ally nation, and BM stole it at some point.

Winwin really pushed back Harald’s invasion, and then proceeded to raid Elbaf and steal one of its most prized treasures

 

[Shiroyru]

Are you literally shitting on your own point you made earlier on Harald not being PK tier 😂, admitting Roger never defeated Big Mom or anyone for that matter.

Log off bro, you need time off from this place I think.

Difference is we know for a fact that Roger didn’t fight BM, while Harald likely did

 

[ZenZu]

Difference is we know for a fact that Roger didn’t fight BM, while Harald likely did

Massive Whiki upscale.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Who's to say Shamrock wasn't tangoing with The Great Warcury or The Great Nusjuro? HMMM
Both of them being stronger than anybody Saint Shanks could've faced.

Bruh...
I'm glad you're joking lol

On a serious note.

His most famous fight is the duels with Mihawk, which ended after he lost the arm, 12 years ago. He was still a HK 15 years ago. So the likelihood is that the duels happened while he was a HK.

So i don't really know what big time fights he could've/would've had that would leapt his experience past Shamrock.

Not really but it doesn't really matter tbh.
When Saint Shanks started dwelling Mihawk is vague but we know Saint Shanks became a Yonko 6 years ago and wasn't a Yonko when he was dwelling Mihawk so there was growth even onwards from that point.
Oda could very well make Shamrock as strong as he wants to but lets not act like experiences don't matter.

We've have had this discussion several times since the Holy Knights were introduced. First it was that the Holy Knights were top tiers etc next it was Garling is the strongest Gorosei, Whitebeard level, hell some were even claiming that he's potentially the strongest swordsman in the verse atm. How did all of those agendas end up lol? All I'm saying is learn from past experiences and don't be so gulliable to Oda's false hype. Shamrock has good prospects but let's calm our titties a bit.

 

[soupongo]

Difference is we know for a fact that Roger didn’t fight BM, while Harald likely did

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Lmao, I hope you guys are trolling. But if you really wanna do this, why not apply the same standard to Saint Shanks? He even specifically had a reason to fight a Yonko, after Kaido killed his boy Oden and enslaved the rest of them, and yet he did nothing.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

@Ven437 Remember that it was mentioned that Elbaf’s two weaknesses are fire and lightning (BM’s 2 elements), and that one of the branches got destroyed by fire and lightning several years ago.

One odd detail is how there’s a Road Poneglyph on WCI for some reason, even though WCI was a random, irrelevant island before BM and Streusen terraformed it. The other 3 RPs were on very important islands that were key Joyboy allies (FMI, Zou, Wano). It would make sense if the WCI RP was originally located on Elbaf, another very important Joyboy ally nation, and BM stole it at some point.

Winwin really pushed back Harald’s invasion, and then proceeded to raid Elbaf and steal one of its most prized treasures

So Harald ~ Xebec > Primebeard > Big Mom > Harald? That makes sense to you?

 

[Ven437]

@Ven437 Remember that it was mentioned that Elbaf’s two weaknesses are fire and lightning (BM’s 2 elements), and that one of the branches got destroyed by fire and lightning several years ago.

One odd detail is how there’s a Road Poneglyph on WCI for some reason, even though WCI was a random, irrelevant island before BM and Streusen terraformed it. The other 3 RPs were on very important islands that were key Joyboy allies (FMI, Zou, Wano). It would make sense if the WCI RP was originally located on Elbaf, another very important Joyboy ally nation, and BM stole it at some point.

Winwin really pushed back Harald’s invasion, and then proceeded to raid Elbaf and steal one of its most prized treasures

If it does turn out BMP stole road poneglyph from Elbaf while Harald was ruling, and Harald failed to do shit, that settles it

Two PK-tier fighters failing to beat her down Ruling for decades unhithered while grabbing anything she wholly desired

The only failure on her part was Lola's betrayal which was something she couldn't control. She clowns the tour king dodger and WG slave harald in her prime

 

[Shiroyru]

Massive Whiki upscale.

Ngl bro you gotta admit that Meme haters took some L’s this flashback.

For starters, Linlin was clearly one of the better written Rocks Pirates.

She got shit on heavily for Garp tanking her attack, but now we know that Garp was using an ACoC barrier to defend himself

She basically tanked Kaido’s cheapshot

She got portrayed above Shiki

She basically tanked DR Xebec’s attack

All this despite being confirmed by Sengoku to be nowhere near her prime, and now we have Harald likely failing to take out BM

 

[Shiroyru]

So Harald ~ Xebec > Primebeard > Big Mom > Harald? That makes sense to you?

Xebec, Roger, Garp, and WB hadn’t reached their peak by GV

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

She got portrayed above Shiki

jesus lol

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Xebec, Roger, Garp, and WB hadn’t reached their peak by GV

Doesn't matter. Sengoku and the Road to Laughtale books say Xebec is Roger's strongest/greatest adversary.

 

[Shiroyru]

Doesn't matter. Sengoku and the Road to Laughtale books say Xebec is Roger's strongest/greatest adversary.

Him being Roger’s most challenging fight doesn’t mean he was Roger’s strongest opponent, because Roger wasn’t in his prime yet when he fought Xebec

 

[ConquistadoR]

Xebec, Roger, Garp, and WB hadn’t reached their peak by GV

So literally nobody was at their peak in GV?

 

[ZenZu]

Ngl bro you gotta admit that Meme haters took some L’s this flashback.

For starters, Linlin was clearly one of the better written Rocks Pirates.

She got shit on heavily for Garp tanking her attack, but now we know that Garp was using an ACoC barrier to defend himself

She basically tanked Kaido’s cheapshot

She got portrayed above Shiki

She basically tanked DR Xebec’s attack

All this despite being confirmed by Sengoku to be nowhere near her prime, and now we have Harald likely failing to take out BM

Bro log off

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Him being Roger’s most challenging fight doesn’t mean he was Roger’s strongest opponent, because Roger wasn’t in his prime yet when he fought Xebec

He was very close to his prime since Whitebeard was too

 

[Shiroyru]

So literally nobody was at their peak in GV?

I agree it’s retarded, but Oda clearly believes that people in their 30s are youngsters and that people peak in their 40s-50s as a coping mechanism for his own age

 

[ConquistadoR]

I agree it’s retarded, but Oda clearly believes that people in their 30s are youngsters and that people peak in their 40s-50s as a coping mechanism for his own age

"Oda clearly believes...."
Nah mate.
You're just acting like you microwaved your brain. 👍