Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1167 Spoilers Discussion

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God Enel literally lost 99% of his AP against Luffy and still lost due to plot by chosing to become a big target for no reason
Comparing him to pre-ts characters is dishonest. He's 100% stronger than Crocodile who is now accepted as high tier.
Luffy was smoking him anyway. Besides DF advantage there wasn't plot armor in favor to Luffy
 
They became major powerups when equipped by super tough people.

Luffy getting CoA is not the same as Marguerite getting it. Luffy getting ACoC is the not the same as Yamato geting it.
Okay? That doesn´t change the fact that Vergo is obviously physically much stronger then Enel, and it´s not even close? You can call it a shiny toy or not, Enel doesn´t have the durability to survive Vergos hits. This isn´t even a question.
 
Saint Shanks joined the Holy Knights of his own fruition, he is scum who is defending his Celestial Dragon masters by his own choice. He is a cowardly villain masquerading as a noble hero, the lowest of the low.
Defending th CDs so much that he helped Tiger free the slaves.
Screenshotted, this will bite you in the rear sooner than you think.
 
Except Oda doesn't give a fuck about how shonens work. He has faves too.
Yes he does. He powercreeps villains as much as possible. Just one arc after Wano we had a character who could tank a G5 punch to his skull and push G5 Luffy away with a Conq Haki roar while Kaido could do neither.
One arc after Doffy lost to G4 handily, we see Cracker and Katakuri beating G4 Luffy's ass and forcing him to invent a new way to beat them.
And we have people like Fukurou from CP9 who would neg diff Arlong or Don Krieg.
Power creep is very prominent in this manga. It's just the way it is
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
In character sure
but bloodlusted? Enel can just teleport away and fry his ass. The man's range is straight-up insane.
Enel is a monster, the bounty Oda gave him in a SBS was only surpassed several dozens of volumes later in Dressrosa (so after the timeskip) for a reason. Right now he'd 100% be worth between 1.5B-2B
Wouldn't bloodlusted Enel make him more susceptible to a blitz and one shot? He has to be extremely slimey and calm to run away 500 meters and spam el thors from a range, which tbh will be easily dodged by Vergo lvl mobility anyway.

I honestly think in his class Vergo is the worst possible opponent for Enel. Durable, soru, geppou, hits like a truck. Vergo was created by Oda to quite literally humble characters like Enel. He was created to show the lvl of the New World where you can't get by without raw elite stats and haki. Enel is a Vergo victim.

Someone like Cracker has more flaws as a fighter that Enel could take advantage of, piss poor endurance, lack of flight. Oda made Vergo an all rounder with no weaknesses to introduce the power of haki in the right hands.
 
Yes he does. He powercreeps villains as much as possible. Just one arc after Wano we had a character who could tank a G5 punch to his skull and push G5 Luffy away with a Conq Haki roar while Kaido could do neither.
One arc after Doffy lost to G4 handily, we see Cracker and Katakuri beating G4 Luffy's ass and forcing him to invent a new way to beat them.
And we have people like Fukurou from CP9 who would neg diff Arlong or Don Krieg.
Power creep is very prominent in this manga. It's just the way it is
Except it's not power creep. It's just him not wanting to draw the same fights over and over.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
Defending th CDs so much that he helped Tiger free the slaves.
Screenshotted, this will bite you in the rear sooner than you think.
Classic low IQ post about how a character who’s very existence upholds the Celestial Dragons gets credit for freeing a handful of slaves lmfao. It’s the same as the morons who act like Garp isn’t a massive net positive for the Celestial Dragons just because he freed slaves one time. Lol
 
In character sure
but bloodlusted? Enel can just teleport away and fry his ass. The man's range is straight-up insane.
Enel is a monster, the bounty Oda gave him in a SBS was only surpassed several dozens of volumes later in Dressrosa (so after the timeskip) for a reason. Right now he'd 100% be worth between 1.5B-2B
Are we going to pretend Micky Mouse shit like OP verse lightning matters against strong characters?


And Enels bounty is nice, but we also know he´s an insane psycho who kills large groups of people for the lolz, including using his maxim to help him do the only island feat in the whole manga. And please don´t try coping with Crocodile, who is actually a new world pirate now, while Enel spent his whole life bullying literal fodder, lol.
 
Okay? That doesn´t change the fact that Vergo is obviously physically much stronger then Enel, and it´s not even close? You can call it a shiny toy or not, Enel doesn´t have the durability to survive Vergos hits. This isn´t even a question.
I've gassed Vergo just as much as the next guy, but Enel should challenge Doffy, let alone Vergo.

Vergo won't even have a chance to approach Enel.
 
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