A jewish state implies two things: Colonialism of Palestine and a state were the right are based on the notion of "being jewish". As such, it's a form of ethnonationalism that can only create appartheid and later fascism. Zionism is therefore the complete opposition to leftism. Zionism helped creating Israel which is Fascist, ethnonationalist, supremacist & colonialist. This resulted in genocide.


Supremacism can apply to various things. The point is not the reason, but how it applies and destroy. In this case, supremacism create the idea that Jewish are superior because of their so called "role". In real life, it creates the dehumanization of the entire arab population especially (and in second others). It's not only exclusionary, it's, in context, a supremacist ideology that perpetuates white supremacy.



Here is a copy: https://web.archive.org/web/2023102...s-racist-to-see-jews-as-equal-is-antisemitic/


No. I'm calling out fascism for what it is. Not simply because I don't like. If you look at my messages here, you will see that I'm always very careful when I use this word. For a long time I NEVER used it against someone here or to designate a country. But the time have changed and fascism is now looming and already present partially or more in many societies (France, US, Israel, Germany, Italy for ex)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism
Ethnostates are not against leftism and Zionism existed before they even thought of going to Palestine. There were a bunch of other places they looked at
 
[/QUOTE="Uncle Van"]- pushes ultranationalism which is anti-left
- huge emphasis on social hierarchy
- protected private privacy and capitalism
- violently targeted socialist, communists, and crushed unions
- pushed national purity, with capital and benefits only going to the best of the nation
- mass elimination of outgroups
- Claimed a revolution of the proletariat was a mortal danger and must be crushed
- Allied with the church and pushed Christian nationalism along with religious education when communist Russia was openly hostile towards it and uprooted religious institutions."[/QUOTE]
1-Not exclusive to Fascism. Look up how life in Cuba, North Korea, and former Soviet satellites were structured.
2-Bullshit, Fascists always regulated the economy HEAVILY and violated private property rights.
3-So did Marxists themselves. Fucking Trotsky ate a pick-axe to the dome. This is called taking out political rivals.
4-True. Commies did the same with capital. It's called state capitalism.
5-Commies did multiple genocides.
6-Of course, they did. They were political rivals. Both ideologies had their philosophies borrow from the French Revolution.
7-Bullshit, completely fooled Christians and then proceeded to persecute them. Gotta highlight that point too.

[/QUOTE="Uncle Van"]Lol still clinging to a strawman and being a massive hypocrite. When you:
- disregard the textbook definition of leftism
- calls leftism the ideology of hate and envy
- makes things up about people to claim they love murder
- thinks fascism and nazism is left wing
- says leftist need to be "dealt with"
- says racism is a stable in leftism
- says leftism is an evil cult
- says most leftist are psychopaths
- says the American democratic party are not right wing
- calls any historical event or fact that goes against your personal beliefs a left wing conspiracy/revision.
- called the lack of information of leftism destroying Brazil during their mostly far right dictatorship history is a left wing conspiracy

The fact that the best you got is claiming and implying there's some of kind global left wing revisionism or conspiracy is very telling. Textbook bad faith. Totally not biased at all.[/QUOTE]
1-Textbook definitions always need to be compared to the actual historical facts.
2-The Russian Revolution literally had hordes of peasants murdering and pillaging anyone that wasn't dead broke.
3-They have more left-wing characteristics than right-wing ones.
4-Marx was fucking racist. Search what his daughter said about him. The Democratic Party was founded by racists that created the KKK. Many leftist movements had similar racial bias.
5-Search up Ponerology. The entire history of leftism is demagogy.
6-They are not. A party that welcomes the likes of Biden and Obama definitely isn't a conservative one.
7-I don't. You are just bitching about hearing controversial and politically incorrect opinions here.
8-Going by their policies, the military regime was pretty left in fact. Pinochet shot communists dead. The Brazilian Army gave entire universities for commies to control.

Bonus: MLK and a few others were exceptions, and exceptions don't prove the rule.

You didn't say anything to convince me, son. You failed pretty hard to make a distinction between those ideologies. It sounded to me like you were describing communist regimes.
@Uncle Van It seems I fucked up the quotes.
 
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Just change this part of your post (the text inside the quotation marks) into this:
"[/QUOTE=-" to "[/QUOTE="Uncle Van"]"

Remove the "[/QUOTE]" beside the text that says "
highlight that point too"

This is how it should look like:
Uncle Van said:
pushes ultranationalism which is anti-left
- huge emphasis on social hierarchy
- protected private privacy and capitalism
- violently targeted socialist, communists, and crushed unions
- pushed national purity, with capital and benefits only going to the best of the nation
- mass elimination of outgroups
- Claimed a revolution of the proletariat was a mortal danger and must be crushed
- Allied with the church and pushed Christian nationalism along with religious education when communist Russia was openly hostile towards it and uprooted religious institutions."
1-Not exclusive to Fascism. Look up how life in Cuba, North Korea, and former Soviet satellites was structured.
2-Bullshit, Fascists always regulated the economy HEAVILY and violated private property rights.
3-So did Marxists themselves. Fucking Trotsky ate a pick-axe to the dome. This is called taking out political rivals.
4-True. Commies did the same with capital. It's called state capitalism.
5-Commies did multiple genocides.
6-Of course, they did. They were political rivals. Both ideologies had their philosophies borrow from the French Revolution.
7-Bullshit, completely fooled Christians and then proceeded to persecute them. Gotta highlight that point too.

Uncle Van said:
Lol still clinging to a strawman and being a massive hypocrite. When you:
- disregard the textbook definition of leftism
- calls leftism the ideology of hate and envy
- makes things up about people to claim they love murder
- thinks fascism and nazism is left wing
- says leftist need to be "dealt with"
- says racism is a stable in leftism
- says leftism is an evil cult
- says most leftist are psychopaths
- says the American democratic party are not right wing
- calls any historical event or fact that goes against your personal beliefs a left wing conspiracy/revision.
- called the lack of information of leftism destroying Brazil during their mostly far right dictatorship history is a left wing conspiracy

The fact that the best you got is claiming and implying there's some of kind global left wing revisionism or conspiracy is very telling. Textbook bad faith. Totally not biased at all.
1-Textbook definitions always need to be compared to the actual historical facts.
2-The Russian Revolution literally had hordes of peasants murdering and pillaging anyone that wasn't dead broke.
3-They have more left-wing characteristics than right-wing ones.
4-Marx was fucking racist. Search what his daughter said about him. The Democratic Party was founded by racists that created the KKK. Many leftist movements had similar racial bias.
5-Search up Ponerology. The entire history of leftism is demagogy.
6-They are not. A party that welcomes the likes of Biden and Obama definitely isn'ta conservative one.
7-I don't. You are just bitching about hearing controversial and politically incorrect opinions here.
8-Going by their policies, the military regime was pretty left in fact. Pinochet shot communists dead. The Brazilian Army gave entire universities for commies to control.

Bonus: MLK and a few others were exceptions, and exceptions don't prove the rule.

You didn't say anything to convince me, son. You failed pretty hard to make a distinction between those ideologies. It sounded to me like you were describing communist regimes.
 
I mean chosen-ness is part of Judaism. It’s not about race, it’s about having a greater purpose in life. It is somewhat exclusionary, but so are all religions.

obviously this writer is wrong to suggest non Jews need to adopt tenants of Judaism else they be labeled as antisemitic.

but also, times of Israel removed this article so I can’t read it in full to see what their message really is.
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it looks more like you are using fascist as a pejorative rather than talking about the actual ideology of fascism

zionism wasn’t started by followers of Mussolini or Hitler
And while judaism is an ethnoreligion, they still accept converts from other ethnic backgrounds
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jewish state implies two things: Colonialism of Palestine and a state were the right are based on the notion of "being jewish"
Israeli citizen are not all jewish and have the same rights, hold political positions etc.
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Supremacism can apply to various things. The point is not the reason, but how it applies and destroy. In this case, supremacism create the idea that Jewish are superior because of their so called "role". In real life, it creates the dehumanization of the entire arab population especially (and in second others). It's not only exclusionary, it's, in context, a supremacist ideology that perpetuates white supremacy.
This also isnt necessarily the case. Feoending on who you ask, jews being chosen people means they have more responsibility and accountability to god, not that they are superior in a racial sense or whatever
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I recently heard that all this anti-Israel propaganda was build by the russians after Israel and USA started to become ally.
Eh maybe, but its also religiously motivated
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There was private lands and "public" lands (owned by state), the private ones were all bought by jews and Germany was in charge of the region at time made the Israel state.
It was the british mandate of palestine
 
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Supremacism can apply to various things. The point is not the reason, but how it applies and destroy. In this case, supremacism create the idea that Jewish are superior because of their so called "role". In real life, it creates the dehumanization of the entire arab population especially (and in second others). It's not only exclusionary, it's, in context, a supremacist ideology that perpetuates white supremacy.
this belief isn’t Zionist, it is Jewish

even antizionist Orthodox Jews will agree with those points.

Don’t know what you were trying to prove with this passage. There are probably leftist Muslims and Christians who still probably believe unrepentant homosexuals will burn in hell forever.

it doesn’t inherently make you a Nazi or a fascist or whatever, even if you disagree with the belief.
 
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this belief isn’t Zionist, it is Jewish

even antizionist Orthodox Jews will agree with those points.

Don’t know what you were trying to prove with this passage. There are probably leftist Muslims and Christians who still probably believe unrepentant homosexuals will burn in hell forever.

it doesn’t inherently make you a Nazi or a fascist or whatever, even if you disagree with the belief.
logiko unironically believes leftist = good therefore anything bad isn't leftist

which is hilarious considering how many genocides occurred in communist/socialist countries prove otherwise
 
this belief isn’t Zionist, it is Jewish

even antizionist Orthodox Jews will agree with those points.

Don’t know what you were trying to prove with this passage. There are probably leftist Muslims and Christians who still probably believe unrepentant homosexuals will burn in hell forever.

it doesn’t inherently make you a Nazi or a fascist or whatever, even if you disagree with the belief.
This is not what Christianity preaches, though. As long as you live a life of chastity, don't sin, and die on good terms with God, there is no reason you should not go to heaven. It doesn't matter if you are straight or not
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Just change this part of your post (the text inside the quotation marks) into this:
"[/QUOTE=-" to "[/QUOTE="Uncle Van"]"

Remove the "
" beside the text that says "
highlight that point too"

This is how it should look like:
1-Not exclusive to Fascism. Look up how life in Cuba, North Korea, and former Soviet satellites was structured.
2-Bullshit, Fascists always regulated the economy HEAVILY and violated private property rights.
3-So did Marxists themselves. Fucking Trotsky ate a pick-axe to the dome. This is called taking out political rivals.
4-True. Commies did the same with capital. It's called state capitalism.
5-Commies did multiple genocides.
6-Of course, they did. They were political rivals. Both ideologies had their philosophies borrow from the French Revolution.
7-Bullshit, completely fooled Christians and then proceeded to persecute them. Gotta highlight that point too.


1-Textbook definitions always need to be compared to the actual historical facts.
2-The Russian Revolution literally had hordes of peasants murdering and pillaging anyone that wasn't dead broke.
3-They have more left-wing characteristics than right-wing ones.
4-Marx was fucking racist. Search what his daughter said about him. The Democratic Party was founded by racists that created the KKK. Many leftist movements had similar racial bias.
5-Search up Ponerology. The entire history of leftism is demagogy.
6-They are not. A party that welcomes the likes of Biden and Obama definitely isn'ta conservative one.
7-I don't. You are just bitching about hearing controversial and politically incorrect opinions here.
8-Going by their policies, the military regime was pretty left in fact. Pinochet shot communists dead. The Brazilian Army gave entire universities for commies to control.

Bonus: MLK and a few others were exceptions, and exceptions don't prove the rule.

You didn't say anything to convince me, son. You failed pretty hard to make a distinction between those ideologies. It sounded to me like you were describing communist regimes.
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Still didn't work lol
 
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