Versus Battle Light vs L and Hisoka vs No Prep Chrollo
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Ngl Light is a bum who lost to Near....who is a poor man's L.
Chrollo is stronger than Hisoka. With prep he low diffed him, without prep...it'd be closer to a high diff.
He did that to ensure 100% victory. Without prep he isnt guranteed 100% victory....but that doesnt mean hes likely to lose.
Chrollo is stronger than Hisoka. With prep he low diffed him, without prep...it'd be closer to a high diff.
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He did that to ensure 100% victory. Without prep he isnt guranteed 100% victory....but that doesnt mean hes likely to lose.
Quoting you here since it's more relevant to the current thread than the other one.
The only time L actually outmaneuvered Light was the Lind bit. Every other situation went under Light's control. L could do and say anything he wanted, Light had to control even micro expressions when in vicinity to L, and he perfectly managed to do so. Light's plan was also constantly getting interrupted by Misa, but he still managed to clutch it. The memory loss plan is the pinnacle of Light's intelligence. He successfully read every single person in the future including himself. Nothing L or anyone else in Death Note has done comes even remotely close to the clutch plan Light pulled off.
And Light would have beaten Near as well. Obviously, meta reasons allowed Near to 'win', but it was through Mikami's stupid mistake, that Light had explicitly told him not to do. Light outmaneuvered and outsmarted a force presented to be greater than L, and only lost due to plot, or in verse due to Mikami suddenly becoming an idiot. And of course yeah, the humongous asspull of looking at a screen and saying yeah this guy is X-Kira lmao.
Indeed, which is why HxH matchups and fights are more interesting to discuss.
Hisoka chased Chrollo around all the time, he wasn't preparing for the fight like Chrollo. Chrollo completely outsmarted Hisoka, but in a straight up fight, like no prep, Hisoka wins at that point of time.
Hisoka himself acknowledges that Chrollo had perfect conditions.
Chrollo is immensely strong nonetheless, but without that specific prep, I would bet on Hisoka getting the W.
The only time L actually outmaneuvered Light was the Lind bit. Every other situation went under Light's control. L could do and say anything he wanted, Light had to control even micro expressions when in vicinity to L, and he perfectly managed to do so. Light's plan was also constantly getting interrupted by Misa, but he still managed to clutch it. The memory loss plan is the pinnacle of Light's intelligence. He successfully read every single person in the future including himself. Nothing L or anyone else in Death Note has done comes even remotely close to the clutch plan Light pulled off.
And Light would have beaten Near as well. Obviously, meta reasons allowed Near to 'win', but it was through Mikami's stupid mistake, that Light had explicitly told him not to do. Light outmaneuvered and outsmarted a force presented to be greater than L, and only lost due to plot, or in verse due to Mikami suddenly becoming an idiot. And of course yeah, the humongous asspull of looking at a screen and saying yeah this guy is X-Kira lmao.
Indeed, which is why HxH matchups and fights are more interesting to discuss.
Hisoka chased Chrollo around all the time, he wasn't preparing for the fight like Chrollo. Chrollo completely outsmarted Hisoka, but in a straight up fight, like no prep, Hisoka wins at that point of time.
Hisoka himself acknowledges that Chrollo had perfect conditions.
Chrollo is immensely strong nonetheless, but without that specific prep, I would bet on Hisoka getting the W.
Though, ngl Chrollo is getting a bit underestimated in this thread.
It would still be a good fight without the prep.
Chrollo just wanted to ensure a flawless victory at all costs.
An 'unprepared' Chrollo was more than holding his own against two high level individuals, who physically outclass him
Even having them both admit multiple times that they would have to lose one or both of their lives to stop him
And that was a Chrollo that wasn't even seriously going for the kill, as Zeno notes Chrollo would likely win if he is serious
Still Hisoka would likely win without prep but it wouldn't be a pushover.
It would still be a good fight without the prep.
Chrollo just wanted to ensure a flawless victory at all costs.
An 'unprepared' Chrollo was more than holding his own against two high level individuals, who physically outclass him
Even having them both admit multiple times that they would have to lose one or both of their lives to stop him
And that was a Chrollo that wasn't even seriously going for the kill, as Zeno notes Chrollo would likely win if he is serious
Still Hisoka would likely win without prep but it wouldn't be a pushover.
Though, ngl Chrollo is getting a bit underestimated in this thread.
It would still be a good fight without the prep.
Chrollo just wanted to ensure a flawless victory at all costs.
An 'unprepared' Chrollo was more than holding his own against two high level individuals, who physically outclass him
Even having them both admit multiple times that they would have to lose one or both of their lives to stop him
And that was a Chrollo that wasn't even seriously going for the kill, as Zeno notes Chrollo would likely win if he is serious
Still Hisoka would likely win without prep but it wouldn't be a pushover.
It would still be a good fight without the prep.
Chrollo just wanted to ensure a flawless victory at all costs.
An 'unprepared' Chrollo was more than holding his own against two high level individuals, who physically outclass him
Even having them both admit multiple times that they would have to lose one or both of their lives to stop him
And that was a Chrollo that wasn't even seriously going for the kill, as Zeno notes Chrollo would likely win if he is serious
Still Hisoka would likely win without prep but it wouldn't be a pushover.
Quoting you here since it's more relevant to the current thread than the other one.
The only time L actually outmaneuvered Light was the Lind bit. Every other situation went under Light's control. L could do and say anything he wanted, Light had to control even micro expressions when in vicinity to L, and he perfectly managed to do so. Light's plan was also constantly getting interrupted by Misa, but he still managed to clutch it. The memory loss plan is the pinnacle of Light's intelligence. He successfully read every single person in the future including himself. Nothing L or anyone else in Death Note has done comes even remotely close to the clutch plan Light pulled off.
And Light would have beaten Near as well. Obviously, meta reasons allowed Near to 'win', but it was through Mikami's stupid mistake, that Light had explicitly told him not to do. Light outmaneuvered and outsmarted a force presented to be greater than L, and only lost due to plot, or in verse due to Mikami suddenly becoming an idiot. And of course yeah, the humongous asspull of looking at a screen and saying yeah this guy is X-Kira lmao.
Indeed, which is why HxH matchups and fights are more interesting to discuss.
Hisoka chased Chrollo around all the time, he wasn't preparing for the fight like Chrollo. Chrollo completely outsmarted Hisoka, but in a straight up fight, like no prep, Hisoka wins at that point of time.
Hisoka himself acknowledges that Chrollo had perfect conditions.
Chrollo is immensely strong nonetheless, but without that specific prep, I would bet on Hisoka getting the W.
The only time L actually outmaneuvered Light was the Lind bit. Every other situation went under Light's control. L could do and say anything he wanted, Light had to control even micro expressions when in vicinity to L, and he perfectly managed to do so. Light's plan was also constantly getting interrupted by Misa, but he still managed to clutch it. The memory loss plan is the pinnacle of Light's intelligence. He successfully read every single person in the future including himself. Nothing L or anyone else in Death Note has done comes even remotely close to the clutch plan Light pulled off.
And Light would have beaten Near as well. Obviously, meta reasons allowed Near to 'win', but it was through Mikami's stupid mistake, that Light had explicitly told him not to do. Light outmaneuvered and outsmarted a force presented to be greater than L, and only lost due to plot, or in verse due to Mikami suddenly becoming an idiot. And of course yeah, the humongous asspull of looking at a screen and saying yeah this guy is X-Kira lmao.
Indeed, which is why HxH matchups and fights are more interesting to discuss.
Hisoka chased Chrollo around all the time, he wasn't preparing for the fight like Chrollo. Chrollo completely outsmarted Hisoka, but in a straight up fight, like no prep, Hisoka wins at that point of time.
Hisoka himself acknowledges that Chrollo had perfect conditions.
Chrollo is immensely strong nonetheless, but without that specific prep, I would bet on Hisoka getting the W.
L isn't as smart as Light. Light is simply smarter. And this isn't downplaying L.
L is the only person in the world of Death Note that could be considered a peer to Light. In a different timeline they'd be the best of friends and the absolute greatest detectives ever. Rivals, peers, friends, all of that. However, Light stood ahead of L, by whichever margin, but still ahead.
Which is why even the creators decided to give him a higher score when it comes to intelligence.
L had every possible resource at his disposal, police, the FBI, endless money, advanced technology, and manpower, and still failed to catch Light. He had access to every police database, surveillance cameras, an army of foot soldiers, and the capability to build a skyscraper overnight just to use as his headquarters. L basically had near-godlike power and resources to expose Light as Kira, and yet he couldn’t make it happen.
Despite all this, Light continuously outsmarts L. Even Rem, the Shinigami, acknowledges that Light has transcended their kind.
L is undoubtedly intelligent, but Light is on another level. Throughout the story, L constantly sets traps, tries to provoke Light, and observes his every reaction, no matter how small. Yet, Light never falls into these traps. To be able to consistently outsmart someone as clever as L, without showing any sign of anxiety or change in behavior - Light simply has to be the smarter of the two.
When Light is finally caught, Near points out that it was only because he and Mello together managed to surpass L. But even then, they didn’t actually catch Light on their own. Light predicted Near’s every move, even before Near himself realized it. He knew that Near would figure out Mikami was the best person to carry out Kira’s will. As a result, Light set the perfect trap by pretending not to know that Near would swap the Death Note’s pages for fakes. He instructed Mikami to start writing in a fake Death Note, all while playing it cool, pretending he didn’t know what Near was up to.
If Mikami hadn’t gone off-script and killed that woman, which Light explicitly told him not to do, the SPK would have never realized that Light had switched the Death Note pages. This would have led to the deaths of all the SPK members and anyone else who opposed Kira.
In the world of Death Note, there are plenty of brilliant characters, but it’s clear that Light is the smartest of them all.
L is the only person in the world of Death Note that could be considered a peer to Light. In a different timeline they'd be the best of friends and the absolute greatest detectives ever. Rivals, peers, friends, all of that. However, Light stood ahead of L, by whichever margin, but still ahead.
Which is why even the creators decided to give him a higher score when it comes to intelligence.
L had every possible resource at his disposal, police, the FBI, endless money, advanced technology, and manpower, and still failed to catch Light. He had access to every police database, surveillance cameras, an army of foot soldiers, and the capability to build a skyscraper overnight just to use as his headquarters. L basically had near-godlike power and resources to expose Light as Kira, and yet he couldn’t make it happen.
Despite all this, Light continuously outsmarts L. Even Rem, the Shinigami, acknowledges that Light has transcended their kind.
L is undoubtedly intelligent, but Light is on another level. Throughout the story, L constantly sets traps, tries to provoke Light, and observes his every reaction, no matter how small. Yet, Light never falls into these traps. To be able to consistently outsmart someone as clever as L, without showing any sign of anxiety or change in behavior - Light simply has to be the smarter of the two.
When Light is finally caught, Near points out that it was only because he and Mello together managed to surpass L. But even then, they didn’t actually catch Light on their own. Light predicted Near’s every move, even before Near himself realized it. He knew that Near would figure out Mikami was the best person to carry out Kira’s will. As a result, Light set the perfect trap by pretending not to know that Near would swap the Death Note’s pages for fakes. He instructed Mikami to start writing in a fake Death Note, all while playing it cool, pretending he didn’t know what Near was up to.
If Mikami hadn’t gone off-script and killed that woman, which Light explicitly told him not to do, the SPK would have never realized that Light had switched the Death Note pages. This would have led to the deaths of all the SPK members and anyone else who opposed Kira.
In the world of Death Note, there are plenty of brilliant characters, but it’s clear that Light is the smartest of them all.
L isn't as smart as Light. Light is simply smarter. And this isn't downplaying L.
L is the only person in the world of Death Note that could be considered a peer to Light. In a different timeline they'd be the best of friends and the absolute greatest detectives ever. Rivals, peers, friends, all of that. However, Light stood ahead of L, by whichever margin, but still ahead.
Which is why even the creators decided to give him a higher score when it comes to intelligence.
L had every possible resource at his disposal, police, the FBI, endless money, advanced technology, and manpower, and still failed to catch Light. He had access to every police database, surveillance cameras, an army of foot soldiers, and the capability to build a skyscraper overnight just to use as his headquarters. L basically had near-godlike power and resources to expose Light as Kira, and yet he couldn’t make it happen.
Despite all this, Light continuously outsmarts L. Even Rem, the Shinigami, acknowledges that Light has transcended their kind.
L is undoubtedly intelligent, but Light is on another level. Throughout the story, L constantly sets traps, tries to provoke Light, and observes his every reaction, no matter how small. Yet, Light never falls into these traps. To be able to consistently outsmart someone as clever as L, without showing any sign of anxiety or change in behavior - Light simply has to be the smarter of the two.
When Light is finally caught, Near points out that it was only because he and Mello together managed to surpass L. But even then, they didn’t actually catch Light on their own. Light predicted Near’s every move, even before Near himself realized it. He knew that Near would figure out Mikami was the best person to carry out Kira’s will. As a result, Light set the perfect trap by pretending not to know that Near would swap the Death Note’s pages for fakes. He instructed Mikami to start writing in a fake Death Note, all while playing it cool, pretending he didn’t know what Near was up to.
If Mikami hadn’t gone off-script and killed that woman, which Light explicitly told him not to do, the SPK would have never realized that Light had switched the Death Note pages. This would have led to the deaths of all the SPK members and anyone else who opposed Kira.
In the world of Death Note, there are plenty of brilliant characters, but it’s clear that Light is the smartest of them all.
L is the only person in the world of Death Note that could be considered a peer to Light. In a different timeline they'd be the best of friends and the absolute greatest detectives ever. Rivals, peers, friends, all of that. However, Light stood ahead of L, by whichever margin, but still ahead.
Which is why even the creators decided to give him a higher score when it comes to intelligence.
L had every possible resource at his disposal, police, the FBI, endless money, advanced technology, and manpower, and still failed to catch Light. He had access to every police database, surveillance cameras, an army of foot soldiers, and the capability to build a skyscraper overnight just to use as his headquarters. L basically had near-godlike power and resources to expose Light as Kira, and yet he couldn’t make it happen.
Despite all this, Light continuously outsmarts L. Even Rem, the Shinigami, acknowledges that Light has transcended their kind.
L is undoubtedly intelligent, but Light is on another level. Throughout the story, L constantly sets traps, tries to provoke Light, and observes his every reaction, no matter how small. Yet, Light never falls into these traps. To be able to consistently outsmart someone as clever as L, without showing any sign of anxiety or change in behavior - Light simply has to be the smarter of the two.
When Light is finally caught, Near points out that it was only because he and Mello together managed to surpass L. But even then, they didn’t actually catch Light on their own. Light predicted Near’s every move, even before Near himself realized it. He knew that Near would figure out Mikami was the best person to carry out Kira’s will. As a result, Light set the perfect trap by pretending not to know that Near would swap the Death Note’s pages for fakes. He instructed Mikami to start writing in a fake Death Note, all while playing it cool, pretending he didn’t know what Near was up to.
If Mikami hadn’t gone off-script and killed that woman, which Light explicitly told him not to do, the SPK would have never realized that Light had switched the Death Note pages. This would have led to the deaths of all the SPK members and anyone else who opposed Kira.
In the world of Death Note, there are plenty of brilliant characters, but it’s clear that Light is the smartest of them all.
All of that at Light's fingertips, and L was STILL just an inch away from proving he's Kira regardless.
It's crazy that people really think Light is somehow smarter than L, or rather considerably smarter than him, when he had so many convenient things at his disposal. Imagine if Misa WASN'T a super obsessed fangirl and couldn't be as easily manipulated. Imagine if other death notes just never dropped into their world in the first place. Imagine if Ryuk didn't help him out by pointing out the FBI agent behind him.
Light still got a shit ton of help and had a shit ton of magic tools. That's a fact. And he may have played it cool on the outside, but we know that he definitely felt pressure from L and the others mentally.
Well ostensibly not, since you are suggesting L is as smart or smarter than Light, when that's factually incorrect.
No he did not.
You are trying to minimize L's advantage as hard as possible. L had limitless resources, literally. All the money, all the police, all the people, the equipment, everything. He was quasi-omnipotent. Literally, any scenario L wanted to test out he could make it happen, any device he wanted, any number of people to tail Light, any type of surveillance, etc. And yet he still failed to capture Light. L could literally do anything he wanted, even push Soichiro to put a gun to Light's head, and he still could not capture Light. You are trying to oversimplify the resources L had. Imagine if he was a one man army or a regular detective with regular detective resources. He'd never even see Light, let alone come close to capturing him.
Light didn't sacrifice Rem. Rem wasn't of use to Light. Light meticulously got rid of Rem, who was at the moment at least as big of a threat as L. Light took care of the two biggest threats to him in one swoop, and managed to get rid of the world's greatest detective and a literal God of Death.
If you think that's crazy, then Light's plan is even crazier, and the fact he pulled it off. Like I said, not one instance in Death Note comes close to the plan Light concocted and pulled off in terms of intelligence.
L is the world's greatest detective with limitless resources, and extremely smart, but second to Light.
Light earned Misa's appraisal by killing the criminal that had murdered Misa's parents. Not only that, but Light is in verse an extremely physically appealing man, which garnered Misa's attention. And Misa was a bigger liability than an advantage. She was emotionally unstable, prone to making rash decisions, and Light had to constantly manipulate her to keep her under control. That’s a massive burden on someone who’s already trying to deal with a genius detective on their tail.
For some reason I can't quote the rest of your post as I am writing this.
However, if there were no other Death Notes, then Misa would never find Light, and Light would have had fewer problems.
Ryuk's help was nothing monumental.
And it doesn't matter how Light felt on the inside, what matters is what he showed to L, and that was no sign of anxiety, guilt, etc, no sign for L to catch on to.
Light is indubitably smarter than L, by whichever margin, but still smarter. L is a genius as well, but he falls short of Light, which is why Light wins, and even manages to outsmart a force presented as being greater than L, and only loses due to Mikami becoming an idiot all of a sudden.
No he did not.
You are trying to minimize L's advantage as hard as possible. L had limitless resources, literally. All the money, all the police, all the people, the equipment, everything. He was quasi-omnipotent. Literally, any scenario L wanted to test out he could make it happen, any device he wanted, any number of people to tail Light, any type of surveillance, etc. And yet he still failed to capture Light. L could literally do anything he wanted, even push Soichiro to put a gun to Light's head, and he still could not capture Light. You are trying to oversimplify the resources L had. Imagine if he was a one man army or a regular detective with regular detective resources. He'd never even see Light, let alone come close to capturing him.
Light didn't sacrifice Rem. Rem wasn't of use to Light. Light meticulously got rid of Rem, who was at the moment at least as big of a threat as L. Light took care of the two biggest threats to him in one swoop, and managed to get rid of the world's greatest detective and a literal God of Death.
If you think that's crazy, then Light's plan is even crazier, and the fact he pulled it off. Like I said, not one instance in Death Note comes close to the plan Light concocted and pulled off in terms of intelligence.
L is the world's greatest detective with limitless resources, and extremely smart, but second to Light.
Light earned Misa's appraisal by killing the criminal that had murdered Misa's parents. Not only that, but Light is in verse an extremely physically appealing man, which garnered Misa's attention. And Misa was a bigger liability than an advantage. She was emotionally unstable, prone to making rash decisions, and Light had to constantly manipulate her to keep her under control. That’s a massive burden on someone who’s already trying to deal with a genius detective on their tail.
For some reason I can't quote the rest of your post as I am writing this.
However, if there were no other Death Notes, then Misa would never find Light, and Light would have had fewer problems.
Ryuk's help was nothing monumental.
And it doesn't matter how Light felt on the inside, what matters is what he showed to L, and that was no sign of anxiety, guilt, etc, no sign for L to catch on to.
Light is indubitably smarter than L, by whichever margin, but still smarter. L is a genius as well, but he falls short of Light, which is why Light wins, and even manages to outsmart a force presented as being greater than L, and only loses due to Mikami becoming an idiot all of a sudden.
but L is still the better character 
This thread is gonna make it seem like I hate L lmao.
L is one of my favourite characters in manga/anime.
I think he's amazing, well-written, cool, entertaining, and obviously brilliant. But just as I say for Dr. Tenma, who is an amazing protagonist and character but has the misfortune of being in the same manga as Johan Liebert, I say the same for L. L is amazing, but he lucked out by being in the same manga as Light.
Although, I will say that the gap between Light and L is closer than Johan and Tenma for me.
This thread is gonna make it seem like I hate L lmao.
L is one of my favourite characters in manga/anime.
I think he's amazing, well-written, cool, entertaining, and obviously brilliant. But just as I say for Dr. Tenma, who is an amazing protagonist and character but has the misfortune of being in the same manga as Johan Liebert, I say the same for L. L is amazing, but he lucked out by being in the same manga as Light.
Although, I will say that the gap between Light and L is closer than Johan and Tenma for me.
