Powers & Abilities Sanji used ACoC to kick Kizaru’s beam

#44
Roger - Luffy - Different fighting styles - Both have acoc
Ray - Zoro - Different sword styles - Both have acoc
Gaban - Sanji - Different fighting styles - But one won't have acoc :choppawhat:
That's a very funny way of oversimplifying things to fit your biased criteria.

Let's take Zoro for instance. Their parallels are:
1. First mate of the crew
2. second in command
3. right hand of the Captain
4. both were specifically sought out by the captain
5. scar in the eye
6. scar in the torso
7. Like drinking
8. both are swordsmen with Zoro even using 1SS every once in a while like Ray
9. their titles are extremely similar to each other in Japanese

That's 9 parallels that I found in like... 15 seconds?

Now for Sanji's with Gabum's:
1. Power of love
2. liking women ig?
3. Being the 3rd strongest (which fails if we take into consideration Oden).
There is no 3rd crewmate parallel because that's Nami, he isn't the 3rd most important person/main character from the Crew because that would be Nami again, there is no similar role because those would be Jimbei/Nami, their fighting styles are extremely different (axes vs kicking), there are no design parallels (like the scars), Sanji bases his main powers in Science which is a HUGE difference...

2, 3 perhaps 3 S4nji/Gabum parallels vs over 9 from Zoro/Ray. The difference, my friend, is night and day. You can't use the logic "Y will get something because X" has it when the characters are so fucking different from each other.
 
#45
Why is the cutting fire part ignored lol? It's a valid counterargument regardless. Both involve interacting with something that's typically intangible
Nothing is ignored, it was simply made clear kicking a laser is considered harder, impossible even. You admitted it, yet you keep comparing that to cutting fire or water every time based purely on real world logic, ignoring the rules established by this fantasy world because it's a fantasy world. Surely you can see why this makes no sense.

If you wanna believe it has something to do with haki, that's fine. I don't think it's impossible for it to be haki-related, but you can't deny the uniqueness of this feat by comparing it to something that was never presented as unique or impossible to do yet insist it's a valid counterargument. It factually isn't.

You pretty much did the same thing when you talked about Sanji being able to use DJ, comparing it to Luffy/Kinemon/Zoro using fire when Oda himself made it clear in the SBS - if that wasn't already clear with Queen's statement - that setting your own body on fire without getting hurt - and without haki- is indeed unique. And even with Oda literally telling us he plans on explaining why Sanji can do it, you still doubt he will explain it because you feel it's not unique.

If neither characters nor Oda is reliable, then who is? Random fans on the internet making up their own truth? You gotta argue in good faith.
 
#46

That's a very funny way of oversimplifying things to fit your biased criteria.

Let's take Zoro for instance. Their parallels are:
1. First mate of the crew
2. second in command
3. right hand of the Captain
4. both were specifically sought out by the captain
5. scar in the eye
6. scar in the torso
7. Like drinking
8. both are swordsmen with Zoro even using 1SS every once in a while like Ray
9. their titles are extremely similar to each other in Japanese

That's 9 parallels that I found in like... 15 seconds?

Now for Sanji's with Gabum's:
1. Power of love
2. liking women ig?
3. Being the 3rd strongest (which fails if we take into consideration Oden).
There is no 3rd crewmate parallel because that's Nami, he isn't the 3rd most important person/main character from the Crew because that would be Nami again, there is no similar role because those would be Jimbei/Nami, their fighting styles are extremely different (axes vs kicking), there are no design parallels (like the scars), Sanji bases his main powers in Science which is a HUGE difference...

2, 3 perhaps 3 S4nji/Gabum parallels vs over 9 from Zoro/Ray. The difference, my friend, is night and day. You can't use the logic "Y will get something because X" has it when the characters are so fucking different from each other.
The funniest point is that the personality thing is really just a bone Oda was willing to throw, because Gaban is less "like Sanji" and more simply, just a heterosexual. He wasn't any more horny than Roger when it came to Shakky or anything like that.

There was a fighting style parallel in that Sanji would clearly be a capable fighter with two knives if he ever bothered, and could combine that with kicks to probably be stronger than he is now. Kind of a subtle thing that Oda probably won't reference again. As it stands Jinbe threatens the third strongest spot and the potential of Yamato would threaten him the way Oden threatened Gaban.
 
#47
Roger - Luffy - Different fighting styles - Both have acoc
Ray - Zoro - Different sword styles - Both have acoc
Gaban - Sanji - Different fighting styles - But one won't have acoc :choppawhat:
The fact he refers to him as "Gabum" makes it clear he knows it's a valid and reliable parallel. :suresure:

Don't waste your time debating with people who are only interested in rage-baiting.




The funniest point is that the personality thing is really just a bone Oda was willing to throw, because Gaban is less "like Sanji" and more simply, just a heterosexual. He wasn't any more horny than Roger when it came to Shakky or anything like that.

There was a fighting style parallel in that Sanji would clearly be a capable fighter with two knives if he ever bothered, and could combine that with kicks to probably be stronger than he is now. Kind of a subtle thing that Oda probably won't reference again. As it stands Jinbe threatens the third strongest spot and the potential of Yamato would threaten him the way Oden threatened Gaban.
How many heterosexual characters throw cheesy lines about love like Sanji and Gaban do? How many of them were said to be basically an old version of Sanji by a character? How many of them was the PK's left-hand man? How many of them were CoO specialists? How many of them had a "rivalry" with the number 2 of the crew?

Oda clearly went out of his way to compare Gaban to Sanji throughout the whole arc, so I don't know how you can say it's just "a bone he was willing to throw". It's not a bone, it couldn't be more emphasized and on the nose.

Jinbe threatening Sanji's position is so nonsensical that I don't understand how you can entertain such a thought, because I don't think you're rage-baiting like the other guy. I get it when it comes to Yamato, and that's likely one of the reasons she didn't join, but obviously it's not true when it comes to Jinbe.
 
#48
That's a very funny way of oversimplifying things to fit your biased criteria.

Let's take Zoro for instance. Their parallels are:
1. First mate of the crew
2. second in command
3. right hand of the Captain
4. both were specifically sought out by the captain
5. scar in the eye
6. scar in the torso
7. Like drinking
8. both are swordsmen with Zoro even using 1SS every once in a while like Ray
9. their titles are extremely similar to each other in Japanese

That's 9 parallels that I found in like... 15 seconds?

Now for Sanji's with Gabum's:
1. Power of love
2. liking women ig?
3. Being the 3rd strongest (which fails if we take into consideration Oden).
There is no 3rd crewmate parallel because that's Nami, he isn't the 3rd most important person/main character from the Crew because that would be Nami again, there is no similar role because those would be Jimbei/Nami, their fighting styles are extremely different (axes vs kicking), there are no design parallels (like the scars), Sanji bases his main powers in Science which is a HUGE difference...

2, 3 perhaps 3 S4nji/Gabum parallels vs over 9 from Zoro/Ray. The difference, my friend, is night and day. You can't use the logic "Y will get something because X" has it when the characters are so fucking different from each other.
Wait you don't think gaban is sanji's parallel? Be serious bro



It can't get more obvious than this.
 
#49
Nothing is ignored, it was simply made clear kicking a laser is considered harder, impossible even. You admitted it, yet you keep comparing that to cutting fire or water every time based purely on real world logic, ignoring the rules established by this fantasy world because it's a fantasy world. Surely you can see why this makes no sense.

If you wanna believe it has something to do with haki, that's fine. I don't think it's impossible for it to be haki-related, but you can't deny the uniqueness of this feat by comparing it to something that was never presented as unique or impossible to do yet insist it's a valid counterargument. It factually isn't.

You pretty much did the same thing when you talked about Sanji being able to use DJ, comparing it to Luffy/Kinemon/Zoro using fire when Oda himself made it clear in the SBS - if that wasn't already clear with Queen's statement - that setting your own body on fire without getting hurt - and without haki- is indeed unique. And even with Oda literally telling us he plans on explaining why Sanji can do it, you still doubt he will explain it because you feel it's not unique.

If neither characters nor Oda is reliable, then who is? Random fans on the internet making up their own truth? You gotta argue in good faith.
I'm not making up my own truth, I said both him breaking the laser and him using DJ are either Haki related or Exo related (likely the latter), which is the major consensus
I simply don't believe it's ACoC or PoL (though PoL is likely just Haki anyway).
Wait you don't think gaban is sanji's parallel? Be serious bro



It can't get more obvious than this.
Luffy immediately said he was just an old Sanji right after meeting him lol
 
#51
I'm not making up my own truth, I said both him breaking the laser and him using DJ are either Haki related or Exo related (likely the latter), which is the major consensus
I simply don't believe it's ACoC or PoL (though PoL is likely just Haki anyway).
That's not what we're discussing. We're talking about your comparison with characters cutting fire/water, that's what I responded to and you asked why it's not a valid point.
 
#53
Both fire and light would be impossible to interact with in that way, but Zoro and Sanji managed to do it anyway. Both feats are pretty impressive for that reason and that's why I compared the two.
Both are normally impossible irl, not in OP. Only one of those feats was presented as absurd, shocking and normally impossible, even by a character who can cut fire. You gotta factor that in.
 

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#54
Wait you don't think gaban is sanji's parallel? Be serious bro



It can't get more obvious than this.
Lmfao I remember when the leakers hinted at this and they thought Nami was paired with Gaban, but she ended up on Rayleigh's side 💀

Zoro fans just cannot stop taking Ls when it comes to Gaban, just leave that dude alone lmfao.
 
#58
When Zoro said he couldn't block King's attack because it's like a laser beam, thus implying blocking lasers is impossible? And then later reinforced by Kizaru and other characters' reaction when Sanji did it?

I'm not gonna look for the page, it was already presented to you and other members multiple times.
Because... Laser beams are fast... And Zoro couldn't react to it in time because of how fast it was..
We SEE Zoro blocking part of it, anyway, so I never got the argument that you just can't block an attack like that.
 
#59
Because... Laser beams are fast... And Zoro couldn't react to it in time because of how fast it was..
We SEE Zoro blocking part of it, anyway, so I never got the argument that you just can't block an attack like that.
He was fast enough to dodge a PX's lasers effortlessly, but they're suddenly too fast to dodge a single one against King? It's not about speed.

Zoro tells us he can't block it, so he can't. That's not up for debate.
 
#60
He was fast enough to dodge a PX's lasers effortlessly, but they're suddenly too fast to dodge a single one against King? It's not about speed.

Zoro tells us he can't block it, so he can't. That's not up for debate.
Wouldn't the fact that he could actually effortlessly evade lasers already, prove that it's not a literal thing? He's clearly just saying it's like a laser because it's too fast. King's beak is no where near similar to an actual laser.
 
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