MoistCr1TiKal Calls Mihawk A Fraud In Front Of 20 Million People

[Roronoa-sama]

who is?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I don't think Oda Made One Piece with Strawhat dreams in mind, it was something to give them character when he started it out

Look up the early drafts of One Piece that got rejected

The goal of prototype Zoro, Ryuma was to also become the “King of swordsmen”

that was Ryuma’s goal in Monsters

 

[Zoinks52]

"One Piece Swordsman Situation Is Crazy"

 

[HA001]

Whats hilarious is he says his favourite character is zoro. So this is a nothing burger.

 

[Midnight Delight]

The goal of prototype Zoro, Ryuma was to also become the “King of swordsmen”

that was Ryuma’s goal in Monsters

This is why I asked to be corrected by people with more knowledge

Regardless, my point stands that Zoro's goal doesn't match with the One Piece world, and is only really there because Oda Wanted to "compress" his ideas into one Story

More accurately that Oda doesn't really care about it while Worldbuilding

Zoro is Oda's excuse to keep on drawing Ryuma without having to make two mangas, it just that he blended in fine and became an integral part of the story

But his goal didn't blend in and we see the results of it today

 

[Apollo]

For being someone who is the "deuteragonist's" goal, Mihawk really seems irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

He never defeated anyone. His last duel with Shanks was 12 years before the current timeline and there was no conclusive winner in their duels.
He doesn't seek battle or actively look for other strong swordsmen in the world. Other swordsmen (besides Zoro) do not seek him out to fight him either. Postponed the only other swordsmen he fought (Vista).

This applies to other World's Strongest title holders, but Mihawk is the only one alive and the only one who is an EoS benchmark for a Strawhat.
Also Mihawk (Zoro) fans tend to ride him really hard which makes the slander funnier.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

This is why I asked to be corrected by people with more knowledge

Regardless, my point stands that Zoro's goal doesn't match with the One Piece world, and is only really there because Oda Wanted to "compress" his ideas into one Story

More accurately that Oda doesn't really care about it while Worldbuilding

Zoro is Oda's excuse to keep on drawing Ryuma without having to make two mangas, it just that he blended in fine and became an integral part of the story

But his goal didn't blend in and we see the results of it today

Oh are you one of the guys who thinks there should be like a swordsmanship Tournament with like judges and umpires and a leaderboard like it’s fucking Sword art online?

Is this your idea of “matching the one piece world”?

Let me ask somethin, what if Zoro’s goal was simply “To be the strongest person in the world”, would that “match the one piece world”

I mean Luffy is more or less on the journey to become the strongest person in the world, even if it’s not his explicit goal, it’s the implicit goal of wanting to the “the freest”.

What if instead Zoro was just a character who outright wanted to be the strongest living person on the planet. Like Douglas Bullet in the Stampede film, would that goal also “not match the one piece world” even though it’s more or less Luffy’s goal?

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

Its the same shi with Garp and Sengoku again after their Marineford performance lol
Except we get Garp shown his true capability in the last 3-5 years. Both Sengoku and Mihawk only got mentioned becuase its not their time yet.
Like i said to this type of dudes better stay on that side and never switched up
Also its kinda funny that he is a Zoro fan before and after marineford and even now altho he said Mihawk a fraud

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

For being someone who is the "deuteragonist's" goal, Mihawk really seems irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

He never defeated anyone. His last duel with Shanks was 12 years before the current timeline and there was no conclusive winner in their duels.
He doesn't seek battle or actively look for other strong swordsmen in the world. Other swordsmen (besides Zoro) do not seek him out to fight him either. Postponed the only other swordsmen he fought (Vista).

This applies to other World's Strongest title holders, but Mihawk is the only one alive and the only one who is an EoS benchmark for a Strawhat.
Also Mihawk (Zoro) fans tend to ride him really hard which makes the slander funnier.

Interestingly enough, Mihawk would have remained as irrelevant as you suggest if not very many fans having a problem with his mere existence as the “Strongest swordsman”

like imagine if Shanks was a brawler like Garp, and the “legendary duels” between Mihawk and Shanks were the Roger vs Garp clashes of Swords vs Fists. Bascially imagine if you complete removed shanks from this equation completely

mihawk does everything the same as he does now but Shanks is a brawler. Would there exist even 10% the number of Mihawk threads across the entire fandom as exists now?

Mihawk given the same amount of “irrelevance” as you say he does but this time with no relation to Shanks whatsoever. What would happen?

See you problem isn’t with Mihawk or how irrelevant he is. Your problem is that Mihawk is “irrelevant” and yet stronger than your best boy. This is all that matters.

None of this discussion about how well he is written or what he means to the story or any of this “intellectual” discourse would even exist if both for the mere notion that He is the Strongest swordsman and your best boy is also a swordsman

 

[Zoinks52]

Its the same shi with Garp and Sengoku again after their Marineford performance lol
Except we get Garp shown his true capability in the last 3-5 years. Both Sengoku and Mihawk only got mentioned becuase its not their time yet.
Like i said to this type of dudes better stay on that side and never switched up
Also its kinda funny that he is a Zoro fan before and after marineford and even now altho he said Mihawk a fraud

Pretty much every top tier in MF has been getting downplayed for years except maybe WB it seems.

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

Pretty much every top tier in MF has been getting downplayed for years except maybe WB it seems.

It is since WB is the Key Character of that arc.
If we being real in here literally Admirals could decimated All WB Commander bar the big 3 Marco, Jozu, And Vista and even the Alliances like Squard anytime they want but Oda chose to not do that and even chose Admiral not to do anything to them?
Why? Because thats how plot and story works.
If WB wasn't the Key character just like in GV, trust me he gon be like Mihawk or even worse like Sengoku. And we already seen it in GV. Sadly he got that treatment tbh.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Interestingly enough, Mihawk would have remained as irrelevant as you suggest if not very many fans having a problem with his mere existence as the “Strongest swordsman”

like imagine if Shanks was a brawler like Garp, and the “legendary duels” between Mihawk and Shanks were the Roger vs Garp clashes of Swords vs Fists. Bascially imagine if you complete removed shanks from this equation completely

mihawk does everything the same as he does now but Shanks is a brawler. Would there exist even 10% the number of Mihawk threads across the entire fandom as exists now?

Mihawk given the same amount of “irrelevance” as you say he does but this time with no relation to Shanks whatsoever. What would happen?

See you problem isn’t with Mihawk or how irrelevant he is. Your problem is that Mihawk is “irrelevant” and yet stronger than your best boy. This is all that matters.

None of this discussion about how well he is written or what he means to the story or any of this “intellectual” discourse would even exist if both for the mere notion that He is the Strongest swordsman and your best boy is also a swordsman

Who said anything about Tournaments and Rankings? That's battle Manga stuff that don't belong in One Piece, as indirectly stated in the Doriki chapter

What I do think should have been expanded upon is the stuff that was established pre Timeskip, the Sword Gradings and the "Two Styles" of Swordmanship

Not even saying every arc needs to have 25% of it's chapters to be about Swordmanship

Just that after like..Thriller Bark, Swordmanship became this irrelevant subject that is never discussed

 

[Blahmigooo]

It's ages i have watch any one piece content on YT except some news.
I know Penguiz is unbiased on his review and give his honest view.
I actually watch that vid (might be the first time in ages i watch full vid on Youtuber talking abt one piece)
And he's on point everything, apart from just the Mihawk slander.
Yes to the eyes of normal viewer Mihawk best feat on screen is slashing with Vista till these day.
You know it is what it is.....

Also, The slander is really crazy these days.
5y ago Vista vs Mihawk YT vid , all the comments was filled with how Mihawk casually fought with Vista without even looking or how Mihawk will one shot Vista if he tried.
Now, i went back to the video and the comments flooded with Wista wank / Mihawk slander. I don't in which years it started.
So unless, Oda shows new feats from the WSS title holder and a Zoro goal, Mihawk slander would stay forever in the fandom.

 

[Chiji_]

He’s a popular content creator, not the authority of one piece manga, he’s no different than any of us giving opinions

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

what exactly would zoro’s goal be if not this?

back in 2010 we used to think Whitebeard’s bounty was around 1.5 billion

Oda is very intentional with hiding the scale of the verse

for example did you think Black blades mattered in 2010? It took until 2021 for Oda to outright have a character say Even a top tier like Oden failed to accomplish this. That was the first time it was ever put into comparison that Creating a black blades scales above a guy like Oden. And Oda introduced black blades in 1998 when Mihawk arrived.

thats a 23 year gap between Oda telling us this thing exists and then Oda explaining that this thing is a feat that matters

What fans think the scale of the verse is completely different from what Oda does

to you, the vista scene is a power scaling scene, to me it’s a character scene. Vista arrives after several scenes of Oda demonstrating just how many people are willing to jump in front of Luffy to keep Mihawk away. It starts with the Crossdresser fodder, then Buggy tries to stop Mihawk then Vista.

at that point Mihawk realizes that Luffy has the power to where an endless number of people will sacrifice themselves for him in the war. Then literally 5 pages later he tells Vista he’s not interested in finishing their fight

Mihawk even tries this again on Luffy and this time Daz Bones jumps in front of Luffy, and then Crocodile also jumps in front of Luffy and the scene repeats, Luffy manages to run away and he chooses not to continue fighting Crocodioe the same he chose not to continue fighting Vista since his goal is Luffy and Luffy has managed to escape.

if you want you can say Both the Vista and Crocodile scenes are power scaling scenes. I can say that they exist to prove a point to Mihawk about Luffy and by extension Shanks. That’s it. Both times Crocodile and vista aren’t defeated because Mihawk doesn’t care enough since Luffy has escaped and Oda doesn’t want vista and Crocodile to be defeated.

This is probably disappointing to you but it’s likely what Oda intended and what Oda intends has little to do with what fans think

Neither are too important for powerscaling to me. Mihawk is the strongest swordsman of all time and that’s all that matters. Those scenes only matter because it shows oda treating him terribly despite him being so strong. Weaker characters like shanks fodderise people like Kidd and are treated much better hence the casual fan ranks them higher despite it not being the truth.

Can you imagine Madara being stalled by Sasori even if he didn’t care? Of course not. The author would never put him in that situation in the first place. Oda could have had Mihawk skip the war and that’d be infinitely better for his perception because it actually shows him as someone too strong to care about the war rather than have him perform, not stand out from even other warlords and have anti feat.

Like I said, none of this affects the power scales in oda’s eyes. We both agree on that. But that’s not what the general community cares about. The community cares about on screen performance. Or hell, off screen hype without on screen embarrassments is enough. Mihawk is very strong but his performances never reflect that in the average fans eye hence he’s rated so lowly.

It’s not my opinion. There’s a reason why Mihawk is so dunked upon by the general community. It’s clearly because Oda hasn’t matched his rep with his performance. It’s a plain fact not mine or your opinion. Mihawk isn’t that respected in the community and the little respect he has is because he has Zoro fans, the second biggest character fan base wanking him.

So whatever oda may intend, whatever the power scales wont change. But the average fan aren’t hardcore fans like us and wouldn’t know that. What IS true is that the average fan’s opinions are reflective of Oda’s TREATMENT of characters because most of them don’t think too deep and just get whatever the screen shows them. Same reason why old Whitebeard is still regarded so highly despite being outdated powerscaling wise. He was treated phenomenally. Mihawk isn’t hence he’s disrespected. As simple as that

I'm not, but it's not like you'll listen anyway since you clearly came into this conversation just to insult me like you usually do.

Mihawk downplayers act like they have no critical thinking skills. It's weird

chill with the dickriding fella. I respect @ImmaIvanoM for at least providing decent arguments and standing on what he believes instead of being a pussy ass bitch like you who just stonewalls and ducks every time he gets scalped in debates (everyday)

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Neither are too important for powerscaling to me. Mihawk is the strongest swordsman of all time and that’s all that matters. Those scenes only matter because it shows oda treating him terribly despite him being so strong. Weaker characters like shanks fodderise people like Kidd and are treated much better hence the casual fan ranks them higher despite it not being the truth.

Can you imagine Madara being stalled by Sasori even if he didn’t care? Of course not. The author would never put him in that situation in the first place. Oda could have had Mihawk skip the war and that’d be infinitely better for his perception because it actually shows him as someone too strong to care about the war rather than have him perform, not stand out from even other warlords and have anti feat.

Like I said, none of this affects the power scales in oda’s eyes. We both agree on that. But that’s not what the general community cares about. The community cares about on screen performance. Or hell, off screen hype without on screen embarrassments is enough. Mihawk is very strong but his performances never reflect that in the average fans eye hence he’s rated so lowly.

It’s not my opinion. There’s a reason why Mihawk is so dunked upon by the general community. It’s clearly because Oda hasn’t matched his rep with his performance. It’s a plain fact not mine or your opinion. Mihawk isn’t that respected in the community and the little respect he has is because he has Zoro fans, the second biggest character fan base wanking him.

So whatever oda may intend, whatever the power scales wont change. But the average fan aren’t hardcore fans like us and wouldn’t know that. What IS true is that the average fan’s opinions are reflective of Oda’s TREATMENT of characters because most of them don’t think too deep and just get whatever the screen shows them. Same reason why old Whitebeard is still regarded so highly despite being outdated powerscaling wise. He was treated phenomenally. Mihawk isn’t hence he’s disrespected. As simple as that

chill with the dickriding fella. I respect @ImmaIvanoM for at least providing decent arguments and standing on what he believes instead of being a pussy ass bitch like you who just stonewalls and ducks every time he gets scalped in debates (everyday)

If you hate me so much just put me on ignore lol

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

If you hate me so much just put me on ignore lol

Another common tactic deployed when you get scalped. Biggest pussy I have seen

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Another common tactic deployed when you get scalped. Biggest pussy I have seen

Bro all you do is insult me. I promise you powerscaling isn't this serious lol

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Bro all you do is insult me. I promise you powerscaling isn't this serious lol

It's common insults on the internet you snowflake. As you getting your feelings hurt by this too?

Never made it personal by taking cheap blows related to IRL stuff or bringing your friends/family into it. Everything has strictly been about how terrible of a poster you are

If you get your feelings hurt then you gotta log off

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It's common insults on the internet you snowflake. As you getting your feelings hurt by this too?

Never made it personal by taking cheap blows related to IRL stuff or bringing your friends/family into it. Everything has strictly been about how terrible of a poster you are

If you get your feelings hurt then you gotta log off