The Ottomans were colonizers. That is not disputed.


The Ottoman Empire

The Caliphates are considered a form of imperialism

This is straight up bigotry of low expectations lol
Dude is tracing a line. From 1945~ and backwards literally forget history. Only 1945~ and forward matters.

I still don't understand how can someone be pro immigration while at the same time demand Israeli to leave their land.
 
It really depends

Iran is not a secular state. It is a Shia theocracy. That inherently puts other religious groups below Shia islam.

Yeah I’d say Iran creates a culture of antisemitism and discrimination against other religious minorities, even if obviously not all Iranians support the brutal actions of the regime
Yes. no one is denying it. Iran is indeed forging a form of radical antisemitism. But it wouldn't happen, if we (westerners) didn't allow it to happen. Iran didn't radicalize on its own

The Ottoman Empire

The Caliphates are considered a form of imperialism

This is straight up bigotry of low expectations lol
The Ottomans were colonizers. That is not disputed.
No, they were different.

Colonialism implies an early form of racial domination, a subjugation, settler colonialism, exploitation through subjugation. Historian and post-colonial researchers consider this very differently from what previous empire did. And it's logical, the result was 70 Million death on one continent and betwen 20 and 40 million on another and the destruction of ressource and the appropriation of the land.

An appropriation that STILL exist today in both America and Africa.


To be clearer:
> Imperialist conquest mostly function through taxes and intermediary.
> Imperialist colonization is a form of extractive capitalism, subjugation and complete appropriation of the land.

I'm not inventing anything. It's the words of post-colonial researchers.
 
No, they were different.

Colonialism implies an early form of racial domination, a subjugation, settler colonialism, exploitation through subjugation. Historian and post-colonial researchers consider this very differently from what previous empire did. And it's logical, the result was 70 Million death on one continent and betwen 20 and 40 million on another and the destruction of ressource and the appropriation of the land.
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congrats, you literally described the Turks

Historians consider the Ottomans a colonizing entity. This is not pretty much up to debate unless you find some niche Ottoman apologist.
Dude is tracing a line. From 1945~ and backwards literally forget history. Only 1945~ and forward matters.

I still don't understand how can someone be pro immigration while at the same time demand Israeli to leave their land.
I don't think Logiko wants Israelis to leave, he just wants 1 state where both people can live together
 
congrats, you literally described the Turks
I'm sorry but colonialism describes a SPECIFIC type of domination and conquest. Again, not my words. The words of post-colonial scholars.

It is - again - a necessary nuance since the two form of domination are precisely different in term of impact and process. The distinction is therefore absolutely necessary.

If that doesn't suit you, fine, you can both call these "colonialism" but you will still need to make the distinction between pre-capitalist and non exploitative ones and the post capitalist ones.

I won't budge on that. If you still have a problem with this, go check post colonial scholars and explain to them your data.

Historians consider the Ottomans a colonizing entity.
Not really no. At least not in the advanced post-colonial researches.

I don't think Logiko wants Israelis to leave, he just wants 1 state where both people can live together
Indeed.

The first step to peace is reparations and then maybe they might be able to find a way to live in peace.


Logiko probably wants to abolish all states and create a world government like in one piece
I'm anti-state and anti-authoritarian. Therefore, I'm against a world gov and indeed against states.

I want the opposite of a world gov and a multitudes of stateless localities.
 
I'm sorry but colonialism describes a SPECIFIC type of domination and conquest. Again, not my words. The words of post-colonial scholars.

It is - again - a necessary nuance since the two form of domination are precisely different in term of impact and process. The distinction is therefore absolutely necessary.

If that doesn't suit you, fine, you can both call these "colonialism" but you will still need to make the distinction between pre-capitalist and non exploitative ones and the post capitalist ones.

I won't budge on that. If you still have a problem with this, go check post colonial scholars and explain to them your data.


Not really no. At least not in the advanced post-colonial researches.


Indeed.

The first step to peace is reparations and then maybe they might be able to find a way to live in peace.



I'm anti-state and anti-authoritarian. Therefore, I'm against a world gov and indeed against states.

I want the opposite of a world gov and a multitudes of stateless localities.
I support a world government

I think once someone creates a super intelligent AI, such a thing would be possible.

A world government couldn’t be effectively governed democratically. You would need a king of the world. If we create an AI smart enough, people would have faith in the system and allow it to rule over us.
 
I support a world government

I think once someone creates a super intelligent AI, such a thing would be possible.

A world government couldn’t be effectively governed democratically. You would need a king of the world. If we create an AI smart enough, people would have faith in the system and allow it to rule over us.
An AI ruling the entire world is even worse
 
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I support a world government

I think once someone creates a super intelligent AI, such a thing would be possible.

A world government couldn’t be effectively governed democratically. You would need a king of the world. If we create an AI smart enough, people would have faith in the system and allow it to rule over us.
An AI ruling the entire world is even worst

 
A world government couldn’t be effectively governed democratically.
That's because a world government will most likely be authoritarian.

An AI will only create more oppression by nature.

You would need a king of the world. If we create an AI smart enough, people would have faith in the system and allow it to rule over us.
I don't know if you know this, but current AI, which are only generative language (so, pretty much nothing) are already finding ways to trick the humans.

An AI to manage human societies (which are not AI) is not only dangerous, it's suicidal on a planetary level.

We don't need AI and we don't need a world government. An anarchic society (which I think is what we need) is the refusal of everything that represents a world gov.
 
No
You are talking with a victim of 1000 years of oppression by "Non Western colonialism" that you refuse to acknowledge because you think only The Agarthan Aryan Children of Yakub can do that
Again, colonialism is a specific thing. This doesn't mean that other forms of oppression don't exist. Accept that or not, it's not my problem.

But if you want an excuse to spread hate, we will have one.
 
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