What is more impressive?


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5 yo Big Mom destroyed half a giant village, potential wise you can hardly do better lol.
But it doesn't put her above less freakish top tiers, Luffy was a fodder as a kid and he will end up as a god tier above all these Oden, Kaido, BM, Loki like freaks .
Rayleigh has
-been portrayed as a WB level threat
-made Blackbeard retreat from his reputation
-said to be standing shoulder to shoulder with Roger
Oda wouldn't treat the guy this way if he had him below yonko strenght wise.
Oda has him below yonko strength wise
 
5 yo Big Mom destroyed half a giant village, potential wise you can hardly do better lol.
But it doesn't put her above less freakish top tiers, Luffy was a fodder as a kid and he will end up as a god tier above all these Oden, Kaido, BM, Loki like freaks .
Rayleigh has
-been portrayed as a WB level threat
-made Blackbeard retreat from his reputation
-said to be standing shoulder to shoulder with Roger
Oda wouldn't treat the guy this way if he had him below yonko strenght wise.
To be fair, I think they’re close, or in that general tier, but will lose in a 1v1. What is confirmed is the yonko system itself and their rivalry with peak Roger. The original lineup was essentially Roger, Whitebeard, Kaido, and Big Mom, with Shanks only entering the picture at the very tail end of the OGs’ prime years.

For decades, the yonkos ruled the seas in a deadlock, all competing with and checking one another. That long-term balance of power is an established statement of their level, they are the 4 strongest pirates out of that era.

Everyone brings up that one offhand line where Rayleigh is mentioned in the same breath as Whitebeard, but people tend to ignore how many times Big Mom and Kaido are directly portrayed as Whitebeard’s true peers. Probably because it’s stated so often, and so plainly, that it just gets taken for granted or lose impact lol.
 
To be fair, I think they’re close, or in that general tier, but will lose in a 1v1. What is confirmed is the yonko system itself and their rivalry with peak Roger. The original lineup was essentially Roger, Whitebeard, Kaido, and Big Mom, with Shanks only entering the picture at the very tail end of the OGs’ prime years.

For decades, the yonkos ruled the seas in a deadlock, all competing with and checking one another. That long-term balance of power is an established statement of their level, they are the 4 strongest pirates out of that era.

Everyone brings up that one offhand line where Rayleigh is mentioned in the same breath as Whitebeard, but people tend to ignore how many times Big Mom and Kaido are directly portrayed as Whitebeard’s true peers. Probably because it’s stated so often, and so plainly, that it just gets taken for granted or lose impact lol.
Nobody cares about this dogshit manga bro, chill with the paragraphs. Chainsaw Man is getting a new chapter tomorrow :steef:
 
To be fair, I think they’re close, or in that general tier, but will lose in a 1v1. What is confirmed is the yonko system itself and their rivalry with peak Roger. The original lineup was essentially Roger, Whitebeard, Kaido, and Big Mom, with Shanks only entering the picture at the very tail end of the OGs’ prime years.

For decades, the yonkos ruled the seas in a deadlock, all competing with and checking one another. That long-term balance of power is an established statement of their level, they are the 4 strongest pirates out of that era.

Everyone brings up that one offhand line where Rayleigh is mentioned in the same breath as Whitebeard, but people tend to ignore how many times Big Mom and Kaido are directly portrayed as Whitebeard’s true peers. Probably because it’s stated so often, and so plainly, that it just gets taken for granted or lose impact lol.
I guess it's because Rayleigh is on his own, while for the yonko there always a notion of "territories" and "crew" going on. When Garp put Rayleigh on the same breath as WB, we know it's purely a matter of strenght as Old Ray is just a bum that stopped being active decades ago lol.
I don't put the old legends on pedestal either as I mysef said that they get good moments in the present BECAUSE they're old so I don't think prime Rayleigh should have the benefit of the doubt against any prime yonko, but his portrayal is good enough than him being on the same tier is the most reasonable option.
 
5 yo Big Mom destroyed half a giant village, potential wise you can hardly do better lol.
But it doesn't put her above less freakish top tiers, Luffy was a fodder as a kid and he will end up as a god tier above all these Oden, Kaido, BM, Loki like freaks .
Rayleigh has
-been portrayed as a WB level threat
-made Blackbeard retreat from his reputation
-said to be standing shoulder to shoulder with Roger
Oda wouldn't treat the guy this way if he had him below yonko strenght wise.
Ray gets compared to Scopper mostly

Alot of stretching there, at least Momma fought Kaido for 3 days
Prime Ray hasn't shown nothing like that, or sky split tbf

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I guess it's because Rayleigh is on his own, while for the yonko there always a notion of "territories" and "crew" going on. When Garp put Rayleigh on the same breath as WB, we know it's purely a matter of strenght as Old Ray is just a bum that stopped being active decades ago lol.
I don't put the old legends on pedestal either as I mysef said that they get good moments in the present BECAUSE they're old so I don't think prime Rayleigh should have the benefit of the doubt against any prime yonko, but his portrayal is good enough than him being on the same tier is the most reasonable option.
I honestly don't think it's a very hot take for Prime Ray to beat Big Mom honestly
I have him equal to Shanks, too
Not sure if he'd beat Kaido though
 
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