Speculations The reason Vegapunk couldn't replicate Logia fruits

[Impact]

It's because among the Paramecia, Logia, and Zoan types, ONLY the Logia have primordial entities.

Vegapunk couldn't figure out how to constitute them because their process for creation was on a cosmic scale. He can't replicate that in a laboratory. They are the original forces that constitute reality. How was he supposed to do something like reconstitute darkness when it existed at the very beginning of the creation of the universe?

Scale and Time: The natural processes that forged the elements occurred on a cosmic scale over millions to billions of years, in environments of extreme pressure and temperature like the cores of stars and the immediate aftermath of the Big Bang. We cannot replicate this scale and time frame in a lab.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Ah yes, the mud logia that Caribou has was produced on a cosmic scale.

 

[Impact]

Yeah, you think it's just water and soil mixed (a substance), but what did Greenbull say about his own fruit? He said it's pure logia- nature itself. You can't just recreate nature itself that simply. He said it's as much the cradle of life as the sea is.

The swamp fruit is just a derivative of those kinds of forces that constitute the universe/reality.

You may want to work on your critical thinking abilities. Anywho, you can also keep on believing what you'd like to, but there are definitely other perspectives to take aside from your somewhat narrow one.

By the way, I don't appreciate your passive-aggressive sarcasm.

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Further discussion..

When Admiral Greenbull (Aramaki) stated his Mori Mori no Mi (Woods-Woods Fruit) was a "pure Logia, nature itself," he was highlighting that his power deals with a force of nature (plants/forests) and possesses exceptional restorative abilities, even compared to other Logias.

The phrase was used to emphasize the absolute and fundamental nature of his ability, suggesting it is a complete manifestation of a natural system rather than a mere substance.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yeah, you think it's just water and soil mixed (a substance), but what did Greenbull say about his own fruit? He said it's pure logia- nature itself. You can't just recreate nature itself that simply. He said it's as much the cradle of life as the sea is.

The swamp fruit is just a derivative of those kinds of forces that constitute the universe/reality.

You may want to work on your critical thinking abilities. Anywho, you can also keep on believing what you'd like to, but there are definitely other perspectives to take aside from your somewhat narrow one.

By the way, I don't appreciate your passive-aggressive sarcasm.

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Further discussion..

When Admiral Greenbull (Aramaki) stated his Mori Mori no Mi (Woods-Woods Fruit) was a "pure Logia, nature itself," he was highlighting that his power deals with a force of nature (plants/forests) and possesses exceptional restorative abilities, even compared to other Logias.

The phrase was used to emphasize the absolute and fundamental nature of his ability, suggesting it is a complete manifestation of a natural system rather than a mere substance.

What about the Quake fruit.

 

[Impact]

What is a quake? It's matter relative to other matter with physics. If nothing else, in this investigation, I suggest using the 5 Ws: who, what, where, when, and why. In this case, knowing "what" a quake is becomes the crux of the matter. It's a physical phenomenon.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

What is a quake? It's matter relative to other matter with physics. If nothing else, in this investigation, I suggest using the 5 Ws: who, what, where, when, and why. In this case, knowing "what" a quake is becomes the crux of the matter. It's a physical phenomenon.

are vibrations/sound not natural

 

[Impact]

Again, I would encourage you to ask what sound is. It's another physical phenomenon (rather than a force of nature).

C'mon, buddy, you can do better than that if you're trying to stump me.

*Thinks for a second 🤔*

Actually, you better stop. That's 3 for 3 at this point. Give somebody else a chance to try it.

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Further discussion..

Physical phenomena are different than forces of nature; the forces of nature are the underlying causes and interactions, while physical phenomena are the observable events or happenings that result from these forces.

 

[BattalGazi]

I was so hyped about mythical zoans but it turned out Logias are the superior devil fruits.

 

[MonsterKaido]

You are mistaken @Impact

Vegapunk was talking about awakenings specifically not that logia fruits can't be copied.

 

[Impact]

You are mistaken @Impact

Vegapunk was talking about awakenings specifically not that logia fruits can't be copied.

You are incorrect and need to look at your reading comprehension abilities.

What he says is they can "probably" be recreated with vast amounts of money and time. However, if you read the original post here, I also suggest that they can be recreated with enough time and scale.

Time + scale = time + money

It's just another way of saying it. The awakening part is inconsequential.

You've struck out twice now with me. Good luck trying your final attempt, I only give people 3 chances before I decide it's time someone else should get a chance to try to argue their case. I'm counting your attempt to argue with me in my other thread as part of your 3 count.

 

[MonsterKaido]

You are incorrect and need to look at your reading comprehension abilities.

What he says is they can "probably" be recreated with vast amounts of money and time. However, if you read the original post here, I also suggest that they can be recreated with enough time and scale.

Time + scale = time + money

It's just another way of saying it. The awakening part is inconsequential.

You've struck out twice now with me. Good luck trying your final attempt, I only give people 3 chances before I decide it's time someone else should get a chance to try to argue their case. I'm counting your attempt to argue with me in my other thread as part of your 3 count.

Bro how old are you? Vegapunk mentioned he can't recreate awakenings. Nothing to do with logia DFs in general lol 😂

 

[Impact]

Bro how old are you? Vegapunk mentioned he can't recreate awakenings. Nothing to do with logia DFs in general lol 😂

Again, your reading comprehension is obviously amiss. He said he hasn't confirmed if those fruits can awaken even if he did recreate them.

That's your 3rd strike.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Again, your reading comprehension is obviously amiss. He said he hasn't confirmed if those fruits can awaken even if he did recreate them.

That's your 3rd strike.

 

[moreha9685]

With enough time and resources, VP could clone logias, too.
If he hasn't already I doubt it's because he lacks the latter, since the WG would gladly spend as much as necessary to get themselves a second Akainu or Aokiji. I don't think it's "special, cosmic ingredients" that VP needs, but rather that he materially hasn't had the time to crack to code the logias are based on. If he were allowed to research it for 50, 100, 200 years, he would be able to do it from his lab in Egghead.

 

[Impact]

With enough time and resources, VP could clone logias, too.
If he hasn't already I doubt it's because he lacks the latter, since the WG would gladly spend as much as necessary to get themselves a second Akainu or Aokiji. I don't think it's "special, cosmic ingredients" that VP needs, but rather that he materially hasn't had the time to crack to code the logias are based on. If he were allowed to research it for 50, 100, 200 years, he would be able to do it from his lab in Egghead.

There are three lines of reasoning relative to this.

1) The devil fruits were created by the ancient kingdom
- If the ancient kingdom did it, then all it takes is innate knowledge of the inner workings of devil fruits as a pseudoscience. Vegapunk could possibly reach their level of sophistication eventually, and do the same thing.

2) Imu magically made all the devil fruits
- If Imu did it with magic, then Vegapunk would need to learn magic, and I don't think he believes in that stuff. This would be based on mysticism which is in a rigid dichotomy with science.

3) Devil fruits always existed and nobody made them
- This would also imply that a form of magic exists in the universe distinct from scientific developments and would be mystical in nature.

My position is option 1, so I agree. Vegapunk could make them if he had a better understanding of them, but he doesn't. He needs time to research it more to reach ancient kingdom level of intelligence first. This is potentially true if we assume money is no object and that the vast resources could be gathered realistically- the resources could be so vast that they would have to explore space to get them, and that could be impossible with current technology. We're going up a steep science hill with this where we have to discuss crap like particle accelerators just to get the basic building blocks for that endeavour.

Right there is where my ability to speak on the subject stops, I don't know how particle accelerators work 🤷‍♂️ I wouldn't even pretend I know that sort of thing.