Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1170 Spoilers Discussion

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

See I thought on the same lines but with a difference.

In the myth Ratatoskr is actually a slanderer. He carries insults from eagle to dragon and incites them against each other.

Which is why I theorise that Ratatoskr manipulated Loki and Shanks against each other and has been manipulating Loki himself to a degree.

Shanks: "Loki told me you have tiny nuts and small CoC."
Ragnir: "AYOOOOOOO, NO WAY, AFTER I LET HIM EAT THE FRUIT? NAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW"

 

[eamonpro]

Are we sure mythical zoans are rarer even than the Logia fruits? Logia reigns supreme.

If dragon doesn't have a logia we pick up oda's house at the foundations and move it into international waters while hes sleeping

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Yeah idk what he is gonna pull off:

Fenrir (tho we already habe 2 dog mythicals, Devon and Yamato)
Surtr (tho he has claws, and we already have 2 human mythicals, Luffy and Onimaru)
Ryu Mythical (only Killingham so far)
Hebi Mythical (only Orochi so far iirc)

Tho I imagine he doesn't care too much about trivial matters like these

Maybe bro has the Morph morph fruit, i saw some theories about that. He can barely control it, and turns into a squirrel first.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

why did anyone think loki will join the crew
how will he sail on the ship

It's because he asked him to join apparently lol

 

[moreha9685]

Can nidhogg change his size in the lore?

yes he can change size.

I want to see him bully Usopp by jumping on his back in "squirrel" size and then enlarging himself to crash the liar.

 

[eamonpro]

So since it was off screened, it's plausible to say it was Red Hair Pirates vs Kaido crew, but with Loki which also was off screen , it was an one shot in 1v1?

If Shanks brought Loki back 6 years ago, maybe loki beat Shanks and Old Gaban who tried to stop him from going on a rampage across the sea. Maybe it was a rematch when he beat him.

 

[Jailer]

There is the little fucker.

I don't think we should take the mural as 1:1 parallel, Joyboy probably had a crew made of diverse races or some shit, there's no Zoro, no Sanji etc., in the mural

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Are we sure mythical zoans are rarer even than the Logia fruits? Logia reigns supreme.

Kizaru himself said it's rarer than logia

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

You’re right, it’s already filling up like Yonko Commanders. It devalues the rank but what else can Oda do? Having Luffy solo Kaido forced his hand

looking back
it was absolutely unecessary to have luffy beat the "strongest" yonko before he became one
absolutely none of them had to do that
now every challenge he has will be put on or above that level

 

[TheD.]

AAAAAAAAALLLRIGHT BOIS

@EmperorKinyagi @Kurozumi Wiwi get over here thots, you doubted Papa Lee but His predictions have broken through the matrix. The eldrich Overlords quiver in horror as Lee has become aware of their existence, the matrix of mortality can no longer contain Lee’s predictive genius

I know people were mostly just having fun about the Ratatoskr shit but let this be a lesson to all of you, Lee is more powerful than the spoiler providers.

@TheD. @DarkestKnightofSpoilers they doubted WOKI, they really thought Oda would give him a fucking squirrel fruit lmfao.

By the way, a Ratatoskr fruit is actually going to be really powerful in its own way, but more like a Caterina Devon fruit with abilities that are probably more useful outside of combat than explicitly for combat.

But that said, it sounds like we don’t even clearly see what Loki’s fruit is but a Nidhogg fruit would absolutely be a cataclysmically powerful fruit.

And look at that! This was one of the top 5 fruits that Lee Himself declared that Loki would have (for the record, I predicted either black Nika, Jormangundr, Fenrir, Skoll, or Nidhogg). Sooner or later you guys will discover that I am Oda and I’m just trolling WorstGen for the lols.

Okay. So let us now discuss the implications of Loki having two fucking mythical Zoans

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It’s over you faithless heathens, Loki is going to shatter the powerscale and introduce us to the God Tier in One Piece. Technically Imu already showed us the God Tier but Imu is an incel so we don’t talk about him.

Anyway WOKI dudes, not only does he potentially have an apocalyptic dragon fruit (seriously was Kaido just like the comedic relief version of Loki?) but now he has another mythical Zoan fruit as well.

Oda really said “yall don’t think Loki is god tier? Boom, two devil fruits” LMFAO I can’t bruh. Anyone who still thinks Loki isn’t superior to every top tier of all time cannot be saved.

There shouldn’t even have to be a debate about this,we’re literally moving to lodestar in 2026 it’s endgame now if your not At worst pirate king level get out.Blackbeard,Loki will show us the teir above the strongest in 2026.Im not even gonna entertain dumb fucks saying kaido is stronger than Loki where Lokis devil fruits capable of defeating Imu Loki is comfortably top 3 so far easily

 

[sanjikun]

I shouldn’t be surprised that you made such a hilarious assumption when nothing I ever said or implied suggested that Loki could solo the Red Hair Pirates. This is a good example of why you have awful reading comprehension, literally where did you even get this from?

“God Tier” means Loki is far stronger than any top tier and would require much more than simply one top tier to stop him (for example, a force like the RHP).



Based on what should Loki be that strong? I don’t think you ever I understood what I or anyone else meant by “God tier” lol

If God Tier meant “literally unstoppable” then we can end the manga right now because Imu has already won. All “God Tier” means is much, much stronger than the current top tier maximum. That’s all I ever meant about Loki’s power level, not that he could literally never lose a fight even if every top tier ganged up on him lmfao….

I mean how many characters can claim to have an apocalyptic devil fruit AND another mythical Zoan weapon AND Ancient Giant’s lineage? Loki is stacked as fuck, even fruitless there is an argument to be made that he is Harald level, before he gets all of these other absurd buffs.

Bro, Shanks with Beckman and Lucky Roo ain't beating any God Tier characters. Another Yonko at the most.

 

[eamonpro]

I don't think we should take the mural as 1:1 parallel, Joyboy probably had a crew made of diverse races or some shit, there's no Zoro, no Sanji etc., in the mural

Yeah Ripley talks about how the races never all worked together in history and it seems like a child's dream. Conveniently, Joyboy was alive in the time period that was expunged from history, the elbaf giants who might have firsthand knowledge of the void century are frozen or in jail or both, and he has been succeeded by two men whose dream is said to be childlike.

 

[ZenZu]

Let's see, all confirmed ones, currently alive:

4 Admirals
3 Emperor's + Mihawk
Kuzan

Living legends who are out of their primes but they still can be regarded as top tier no?
- Garp, Sengoku, Rayleigh, Gaban

Gorosei I assume (Nusjuro is gonna fight Zoro, there is Garling there too, more or less all should be same calibre).

Meaning Zoro might be not far off either what he needs is better CoC control it seems with him not being aware he had it in the first place

Shamrock. Other HK's depending how you see it - do we count the fact Imu can possess them automatically transforming them top tier? Or does that count as Imu?

Loki. Man with the burn mark 99%

What is the general consensus on someone like Magellan here? People rate him highly but how high? Not top tier but better than a high tier? He was a force of nature back then, and needed the BBP to jump him to take him out.

Imu (tho he counts as the top 1)

Sure there's more known high tiers but I would expect less top tiers in relation to the current number of high tiers.

Magellan isn't top tier, Holy Knights are majority not top tiers, majority of Roger pirates and all Yonkou underlings are not top tier, all of the Cipher Polls combined don't have a single top tier. Warlords only have 1 top tier despite being the top pirates in the world. Majority of Giants are absolute fodder, Dorry and Brogy who are the strongest giants cap out at high tier at best, and they would probably lose to most YC1. Hajrudin a royal Giant who is literally Harald's son and Loki's brother was getting his ass beat by an underling of Diamante or some shit like that.

Wano didn't have a single top tier samurai. The entire Mink race doesn't have a single top tier. The entire fishman race doesn't have a single top tier.

There are a lot of issues in One Piece, this isn't one of them. In fact there might need to be more top tiers, half of this shit doesn't make sense, why is there no fishman top tier, why is there only 1 giant top tier?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

It's because he asked him to join apparently lol

he does that to a lot of people lol

 

[moreha9685]

RIP homie Ragnir theories

 

[DarkestKnightofSpoilers]

So Zoro and Sanji > Kaido?

how do you come to this conclusion

When they need Him ,isn‘t he stronger?

 

[Paperchampion23]

If I had to assume, the Nidhoggr (if we assume thats what it is) is the Earth God and Hell Serpent together. They destroy the first world and thats exactly what Nidhoggr is known for.Maybe Hadjrudeen actually ate Hraesvelgr after failing to eat Ace's fruit?

Anyway, im doubting these are the names Oda gives them, since he already drew both Fenrir and Nidhoggr, 2 things Loki has been theorized as and I doubt thats "just" the name of the fruits.

Its like Sun God Nika, theres a God name for Luffy's fruit.

For all we know this Serpent/Dragon fruit could be called the "Earth God Elbaf" or Dragon Dragon Fruit Model: Elbaf similar to
Human Human Fruit Model: Nika or something. This would help tie things back to even Dorry and Broggy's dialogue about God Elbaf

 

[park_min young]

That's exactly what it means.

Gaban "Haki is a power that's only useful when you consciously control it. How can you support your captain not knowing that?"

No, there’s a clear difference. Zoro had only just unlocked it and had been using it for about a week via going all-out with his haki. Loki, on the other hand, already had it fourteen years ago, before he even went on his rampage at sea. Loki is a lone wolf who most likely wasn’t taught of these concepts. He also instantly realized what Gaban was talking about unlike Zoro, go re-read that dialogue. Loki is well aware of how aCoC works instinctively unlike Zoro who didn’t even know that he had it.

 

[Dark-Abel]

Seems Loki beats Kaido in each and every aspect:
- Bigger
- Bigger hammer ( with a devil fruit)
- Cooler dragon fruit
- Same fall feat, but does it as a baby
- Cooler eyes

 

[Paragorn]

If Shanks brought Loki back 6 years ago, maybe loki beat Shanks and Old Gaban who tried to stop him from going on a rampage across the sea. Maybe it was a rematch when he beat him.

Nice assumption, but the question remains

How do we know if the Red Hair Pirates weren't involved, and more, why did Shanks tied up Loki?

 

[moreha9685]

Seems Loki beats Kaido in each and every aspect:
- Bigger
- Bigger hammer ( with a devil fruit)
- Cooler dragon fruit
- Same fall feat, but does it as a baby
- Cooler eyes