Future Events Shanks is EVIL! - The Straw Hat Is A Parasite (I have cracked Oda’s code)

Elder Lee Hung

Elder Lee Hung

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Zoinks52 said:
Would you say there are many examples of Shanks showcasing such purely selfish behaviour?

Main issue I have is that he's Luffy's inspiration, built up to be this heroic type etc and Oda clearly adores him.

It's been so consistent for him to be depicted in such a manner that I'm having a hard time imagining how or why Oda would make him evil.

Like I guess I could see this being a twist of the century where he turns out to be a traitorous Magnificent Bastard but I'm not too sure at all.
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As you said, it would the twist of the century and would solidify Oda as a top 3 mangaka of all time. The sheer balls required to make someone like Saint Shanks an antagonist like he is currently doing is legendary.

I don’t see Saint Shanks as having done anything overtly self-interested, but as I said in the OP, literally all of his actions can be viewed in that manner depending on his exact motivations. I think part of being a skilled liar like Saint Shanks is learning plausible deniability, and Saint Shanks is happy to manipulate people’s assumptions against them. I’m telling you, learning that Saint Shanks was skilled enough to lie to the Holy Knights increased the chances that he is lying to Luffy by 200%.

Zoinks52 said:
Cult huh?

I don't think it's meant to be seen that way per se. But for sure the RHP are far more ruthless than you'd think. As seen with Barto and Kid.
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Cult in the sense that nobody has anything but positive views of this guys. It’s just suspicious as fuck and highly implies that Saint Shanks is a psychopath. Nobody in all of OP has as flawless of a reputation as Saint Shanks has among his devotees like Luffy and Elbaph.

Zoinks52 said:
Agreed, I do think he will play an antagonistic role for sure.

Main thing I doubt is that he will be evil to go with it. I'm expecting a Majin Vegeta situation where he KO's Luffy or harms him but it turns out to be part of his keikaku or epic sacrifice moment.
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Nah I don’t think he cares about Luffy at all, there is no reason for him to. I think he only cares about getting his Straw Hat back to claim the power that it has been stealing from Luffy. Lol
 
Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

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Elder Lee Hung said:
As you said, it would the twist of the century and would solidify Oda as a top 3 mangaka of all time. The sheer balls required to make someone like Saint Shanks an antagonist like he is currently doing is legendary.

I don’t see Saint Shanks as having done anything overtly self-interested, but as I said in the OP, literally all of his actions can be viewed in that manner depending on his exact motivations. I think part of being a skilled liar like Saint Shanks is learning plausible deniability, and Saint Shanks is happy to manipulate people’s assumptions against them. I’m telling you, learning that Saint Shanks was skilled enough to lie to the Holy Knights increased the chances that he is lying to Luffy by 200%.



Cult in the sense that nobody has anything but positive views of this guys. It’s just suspicious as fuck and highly implies that Saint Shanks is a psychopath. Nobody in all of OP has as flawless of a reputation as Saint Shanks has among his devotees like Luffy and Elbaph.



Nah I don’t think he cares about Luffy at all, there is no reason for him to. I think he only cares about getting his Straw Hat back to claim the power that it has been stealing from Luffy. Lol
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Why did he get the Nika fruit and free Fisher Tiger then?
 
GalaxyLevelShanks

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@Elder Lee Hung if Saint Shanks is evil then what are your predictions for his motivation? Right now it seems like he’s completely adapted and embraced the pirate ideology through Roger. He’s never really had the chance to form selfish thoughts so where do you think he got them from? Obvs Saint Shanks being evil instead of a Gary stu will be great writing btw
 
Elder Lee Hung

Elder Lee Hung

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Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier said:
Okay I must ask before I go any further here, if Shanks really IS evil, what are his exact intentions then?
What's the big idea behind him trying to siphon power from the Straw Hat? Does he want to bring the world to ruin? Rule over the world?
What would even be the point of all this?
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There could be a variety of reasons, I don’t think we have enough information to speculate, but a variety of motives could make sense.
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GalaxyLevelShanks said:
@Elder Lee Hung if Saint Shanks is evil then what are your predictions for his motivation? Right now it seems like he’s completely adapted and embraced the pirate ideology through Roger. He’s never really had the chance to form selfish thoughts so where do you think he got them from? Obvs Saint Shanks being evil instead of a Gary stu will be great writing btw
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Like I said, I don’t think we have enough info to speculate, but I think both Saint Shanks and Imu having associations with a Straw Hat may imply that Saint Shanks wants to be the next Imu. Lol
 
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Rootbeer

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This thread made me spend way too much time thinking about this..

I see it sometimes, others i don't..

Giving back the hat feels like an odd condition instead of it simply being a gift if Luffy is supposed to be the new Era Shanks bets on..
He gave his Arm but not his hat?..

I wish i could get on this train as much as Zoro not having AdCoC, but..
 
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Hmm...you know, when you think about it, Shanks kind of DOES have a similar setup to other characters we've seen in this story.

Both Crocodile and Doflamingo were originally hailed as the heroes of their respective nations, before we found out about their evil plans. It's just that instead of a bunch of gullible rubes, WE'RE the one's getting suckered by a scam this time around. Shanks COULD be what Oda was using characters like Crocodile and Doflamingo to foreshadow. "Be careful of who you idolize".

Shanks, right now, is actually kind of SUSPICIOUSLY good. Oda tends to like to have his characters have two sides to them. Luffy WILL help out someone in need...but also mock them for being weak and steal all the food at the celebratory feast afterward. Kaido was a ruthless dictator polluting the land...but he also originally wanted to be Joyboy and save the world. Almost all of Oda's characters have good and bad sides to them. Right now...Shanks doesn't really HAVE two sides to his personality. By all accounts, he's just a really good dude. Shanks seems to make friends with everybody he meets, other than Blackbeard, which is honestly just further reinforcing what good judge of character he is. He's been going around, protecting the weak and helpless by putting their lands under his protection, and letting them join his fleet. He helped free the slaves, by freeing Fisher Tiger. He tried to get the Nika Fruit away from the World Government. Shanks...has done NOTHING wrong. He doesn't even come across as that "greedy", since he waited until NOW to even try to claim the One Piece Treasure. The worst you can say about the guy, right now, is that he might be a little harsh on his enemies. Kid kind of had it coming. But, with Bartolomeo, Shanks basically shot a missile at a guy who was putting up graffiti. That was a little much.

So, I can see SOMETHING being revealed about Shanks down the line. We could see the other half of Shanks' personality, and it might not be something Luffy likes.

But, "evil"? Well...I don't know. I feel like Oda's going to be more nuanced than that, with Shanks. I'm personally betting on Shanks to be trying to maintain the status quo. Trying to get enough power for himself that he can kind of work as "buffer" between the various other powers of the world, so that no one can truly start something catastrophic, that could get a lot of innocent people killed. Making sure Imu can't really make a move to complete their World. But, also making sure no one can really challenge Imu's authority, either. Shanks as a defender of stability and keeping things the way they are. Which Luffy, as a agent of change, would definitely be opposed to.

But, I'll admit, I definitely have my own suspicions about Shanks. I'm VERY interested to see Bartolomeo again, and see if that "poison" Shanks gave him was really as fake as it seemed...or not. This theory also has a alternative take on what Shanks' motivations could be. The elimination of all "magic" in this World. And thusly, making all Humans effectively "equals", with people less able to control and harm one another.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...the-devil-fruit-cure-and-imu-the-fairy.60827/

So, I do think Luffy and Shanks will end up having a disagreement of some kind, down the road. Having the main character fight their mentor is just too tempting a trope for a Shonen manga to resist. I just don't know if Shanks will actually be a "supervillain" Luffy needs to take down, or not.

(Also, I'm leaving a link to this here, do with this what you will)
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/the-one-who-sits-above-imu.66104/
 
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ArturCantSpeakJapanese

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i think op goes a little too far with the evil bit but shanks is absolutely going to be an antagonist and is absolutely keeping secrets from everyone. he is extremely suspicious and probably has his hands in a lot of dark stuff. As a God's Knight he must have been doing evil things even while freeing Fisher Tiger to make himself feel better.

his fleet of weaklings is the funniest thing, that should have proved it. they're all bad guys and criminals, but they're weak. shanks literally only maintains that fleet so that he has a better good guy image. theyre not even nice pirates they're just weak pirates lol
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robins the most well informed person in the whole series. what does she know about shanks? why's she sweating?
 
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