Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1171 Spoilers Discussion

[ヴィハーン]

The manga showing Whitebeard right before Roger’s final journey still not having the title instead just being known as a great pirate. Vivre cards have been wrong multiple times as such always go with the manga when they contradict.

I don't think that's enough material for it. I'm rather asking for a panel confirming he got it after Great pirate era.

Vivre card yes has been wrong multiple times or retconned but nothing touches this so far.

I’m really not? Big Mom wouldn’t have made Whitebeard a more impressive opponent if it wasn’t because she held him to a high standard.

As much as I agrre to that, I still don't think power gap was just A mid~High diff.
No yonkou is doing that to one another.
She had respect for him yes. But I don't think so that the power gap was that huge.

 

[Fujishiro]

I also don’t recall Imu reacting this severely when Rocks was killed lol. It really seems like the HKs are far more valuable than the DRs.

@sanjikun

They are, I mean they are limited in numbers.

 

[OPKnK]

Yeah harald had personality changed. He started thinking he was a god. HK amp is much bigger amp hence imu couldn't believe someone could kill harald. He didn't gave a damn when xebec's curse was removed.

Why would he care when rocks get knock of DR he had him kill and his whole clan .
Harald was suppose to make him get control of elbaf so of course he would care what happen to Harald .
The point is DR rocks was in way less control of him self than harald .
Not to mention that amount of haki usages Oda made sure to show he was using .

 

[Dark Knight Sanji]

Gunko is right next to Colon. Even you can guess what’s happening next

Not really! It's pretty obvious Gaban will unlock some power of Sanji that will be able to bypass the HK regen. This therefore sets up Sanji vs Sommers given the only barrier to free the children is Sommers' thorns.

 

[Rootbeer]

There's a conscious or unconscious correlation that y'all Admiral fans do with Loki and Admirals that i don't get, but i will figure it out eventually..

 

[ヴィハーン]

Correct after loki hit him badly.

Only then loki says harald has regained his self in the manga.

Gaban couldn't believe HKs can be killed as Roger pirates never managed to kill one ever.

But question arises is how.
Loki didn't use Conqueror to beat Harald in zoan form. We have panels of it.
He used it in the final strike only.

Unless the fruit is directly countering Imu hax.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Why would he care when rocks get knock of DR he had him kill and his whole clan .
Harald was suppose to make him get control of elbaf so of course he would care what happen to Harald .
The point is DR rocks was in way less control of him self than harald .
Not to mention that amount of haki usages Oda made sure to show he was using .

That is not the point. Imu couldn't believe someone could kill HK harald. That wasn't the case for DR xebec. Dodger pirates couldn't even kill someone like sommers.

 

[Raiden7]

Gunko is right next to Colon. Even you can guess what’s happening next

in before Oda took a pause week to prepare for Sanji Conqueror reveal

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I don't that's enough material for it. I'm rather asking for a panel confirming he got it after Great pirate era.

Vivre card yes has been wrong multiple times or retconned but nothing touches this so far.



As much as I agrre to that, I still don't think power gap was just A mid~High diff.
No yonkou is doing that to one another.
She had respect for him yes. But I don't think so that the power gap was that huge.

Mid diff no, but high diff is completely valid due to Whitebeards special status as the king of the sea and the one who could’ve claimed the throne but didn’t want it

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

I also don’t recall Imu reacting this severely when Rocks was killed lol. It really seems like the HKs are far more valuable than the DRs.

@sanjikun

Hasn’t this been obvious to anyone with above average IQ? Why the fuck would Imu give random elbaf giants a bigger buff than the exclusive group that serves him? And it’s not like you can just join the group by serving him easily either. Harald served them for a year and was still second in line to get it and only got it cause the primary candidate fled Mary Geoise.

They’re doing all that work for the WG to get an inferior buff than some randos Imu hands it out to for free?

Deep Sea Contract was obviously a much greater buff than DR and you need two brain cells to connect two simple dots to reach this conclusion.

 

[Fujishiro]

There's a conscious or unconscious correlation that y'all Admiral fans do with Loki and Admirals that i don't get, but i will figure it out eventually..

What lol.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Roger's not the type of character to kill people.. Come on..

Bro merked Squard’s whole crew what are you yapping about

 

[kekaro]

I might be missing smth but these are the panels I think you’re talking about

It isn’t implied that the RHP were surprised at what Shanks was doing

My thought process is this:
Whos Who is suprised why they even attacking them, they have only 1 random zoan (obviously they dont know its the nika fruit)
The implication is Shanks does know its the Nika fruit (this has even prior built up that shanks is passive), so shanks is not suprised they would be cp9 agents on the ships to protect it, why would he?
However, his crew is suprised, this means he posses information that he does not share with his crew all the time, otherwise why would be the crew suprised and he himself not?

Maybe im reading too much into it but thats how i see it

 

[Loki D. Terror]

But question arises is how.
Loki didn't use Conqueror to beat Harald in zoan form. We have panels of it.
He used it in the final strike only.

Unless the fruit is directly countering Imu hax.

It was the final strike which perma killed a HK. Even Roger couldn't kill someone like sommers.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Not really! It's pretty obvious Gaban will unlock some power of Sanji that will be able to bypass the HK regen. This therefore sets up Sanji vs Sommers given the only barrier to free the children is Sommers' thorns.

Even if Gaban helps Sanji hurt HKs


Still a woman

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

“Roger could have killed HKs if he wanted too, Roger just doesn’t really kill people”

Some of y’all need to reread marineford smh

 

[ヴィハーン]

It was the final strike which perma killed a HK. Even Roger couldn't kill someone like sommers.

We are getting to that eventually.
But this " Loki cut the connection " how. Tell me.
You brought that up.

Once this is answered killing him logic would answer itself. On how Loki coountering them.

 

[kekaro]

I also don’t recall Imu reacting this severely when Rocks was killed lol. It really seems like the HKs are far more valuable than the DRs.

@sanjikun

Imu seems to able to DR anyone
He was however overjoyed that Harald wanted a contract.

The control imu can have is probally a different one, i assume he cant assume direct control like with harald gunk or saturn over Dr ones, just let them loose on a object

Xebec was not even able to talk

 

[OPKnK]

They are, I mean they are limited in numbers.

I mean rocks and his clan was suppose to get killed DR people differnt from Imu knights .
Plus there the story aspect that without harald Imu now can't control elbaf .
Why the hell would people compare them .
They did same things with the fights when both of them were done very differnt also .

 

[Dark Knight Sanji]

This confirms killing a HK amped characters is much bigger deal than overcoming DR curse.

Exactly which is why Gaban's shocked that someone was able to kill a Holy Knight permanently. This after Gaban confirms that the Roger pirates (including Roger himself) were unable to permanently kill the Holy Knights sent after Shanks despite Roger dealing with Xebec. This is also consistent with how Xebec was able to kill his DR family but couldn't easily take out the HKs at god Valley.