[FNZ] Super Role Madness Naruto Shippuden: An Alternate Universe Mafia Game Thread [Game Ended - Mafia Win]

[Neeko]

How would it impact my legacy? If I'm dead there is no longer any ambiguity on whether my reads were genuine or not.

And yes I know it's not always better, but the process in seeking to develop an answer from unclear to definitive is generally hard to fake, which makes it a pretty good point of discussion as far as I'm concerned. You disagree?

It would impact the legacy of the player giving a definitive read when they're unsure.

I dont disagree. Feel free to do it.

 

[Naomi]

Why? I agree - the first comment reads as someone trying to be bold and openly support a scum mate in a way that would make him look bad (and thus going for the "he would never do that as scum" defence, and the vote looks like an attempt to get on the wagon for some cred. But why do you think so?

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hmmm could be michelle town and i already see alex town, if he flips scum @Ratchet @Hayumi @Polar Bear @Alexis2282AE

he had york green before.


Votes:
Alexis -> Flower > Bittersweet
Flower -> Alexis > Cakewalker > Alexis > Bittersweet > Unvote > Bittersweet
Bradland -> Alexis > Bittersweet
Cakewalker -> Alexis
RippedCal -> Bittersweet > Alexis
Naomi -> Bittersweet
Shuijing -> Sakazouki > Polar > Unvote > Ultra > Yoho > Bittersweet > Unvote > Bittersweet
Alwaysmind -> Bitterweet > Fujishiro > Bittersweet
Polar -> Ultra > Bitter
Orca -> Galaxy > Bittersweet
Ratchet -> Cakewalker
York -> Alexis > Bittersweet
Sakazouki -> Naomi
Boa -> Alexis
Urek -> Bitter
Bittersweet -> Orca
Charlie -> Bittersweet
Galaxy -> Naomi > Bittersweet


Count:
Bittersweet = 14 (Alexis, Naomi, Alwaysmind, Polar, Orca, Urek, Bradland, Charlie, Cakewalker, York, Shuijing, Flower, Galaxy)
Alexis = 2 (RippedCal, Boa)
Cakewalker = 1 (Ratchet)
Orca = 1 (Bittersweet)




]Day 2 - Vote Count 4

Votes:
Naomi -> Cakewalker > Boa > Cake
Alexis -> Boa > Sakazouki
Shuijin -> Boa
Sakazouki -> Boa
Cakewalker -> Naomi > Unvote > Boa
Flower -> Cake > Unvote > Nekko > Sakazouki
Bradland -> Michelle > Sakazouki
Power -> Alexis > Michelle > Sakazouki
Hayumi -> Cakewalker > Unvote > Sakazouki
Boa -> Cakewalker
Neeko -> Cakewalker > Unvote > Sakazouki
Orca -> Neeko
Galaxy -> Cake > unvote> Sakazouki
Charlie -> Sakazouki
Urek -> Saiazouki
Fujishiro -> Sakazouki
Alwaysmind -> Sakazouki
Random Asshole -> Sakazouki


Count:
Sakazouki= 14 (Charlie, Nekko, Hayumi, Flower, Bradland, Urek, Fujishiro, Alwaysmind, Galaxy, Power, Random Asshole, Alexis)
Boa = 3 (Shuijin, Sakazouki, Cakewalker)
Cake = 2 (Naomi, Boa)
Neeko = 1 (Orca)



Votes:
Neeko -> CakeWalker
Power -> Alexis > Bradland > CakeWalker
Flower -> Neeko > Unvote > CakeWalker > Neeko
Michelle -> Neeko > Unvote
Hayumi -> CakeWalker > Unvote > CakeWalker
Naomi -> CakeWalker
Fujishiro -> CakeWalker
Orca -> Fuji > Bradland
CakeWalker -> Jan > Ratchet > Unvote > Orca > Neeko > CakeWalker > Unvote
Alwaysmind -> Michelle > CakeWalker
Shuijing -> Yoho > CakeWalker
Galaxy -> CakeWalker > Neeko > CakeWalker
Bradland -> Michelle > CakeWalker
Boa -> CakeWalker
Yoho -> Bradland
Polar -> CakeWalker
Ratchet -> CakeWalker


Count:
CakeWalker = 13 (Neeko, Naomi, Fujishiro, Power, Galaxy, Bradland, Boa, Shuijing, Alwaysmind, Polar, Ratchet, Hayumi)
Neeko = 3 (Flower, CakeWalker)
Bradland = 2 (Orca, Yoho)

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[Neeko]

I can't really fault not commiting to a read on him. I do think you would stand to consider Occam's Razor, though.

True.

I already feel like im missing something in regards to scum but that could also be caused by a severely weak/inactive team.

The fact they dont night kill also doesnt really help as we have no way to pinpoint where they feel threatened.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

That's crazy. Reads?

And random question: Itachi vs. Pain who wins, what diff, how many times out of 10?

Itachi 3/10
Pain 6/10

 

[Alexis2282AE]

True.

I already feel like im missing something in regards to scum but that could also be caused by a severely weak/inactive team.

The fact they dont night kill also doesnt really help as we have no way to pinpoint where they feel threatened.

They may not have a faction kill.

 

[Naomi]

@Michelle are you town?

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[Neeko]

Too wordy to read? Nothing to offer?

I dont read my roles when they're too long either.

Or opening posts. You play too long and it feels more like a chore.

 

[Ratchet]

It would impact the legacy of the player giving a definitive read when they're unsure.

I dont disagree. Feel free to do it.

Not really, insofar as if the read is directly prompted from the player, their confidence level within that read will obviously have to play a role in whomever decides to pick up said legacy. In specific terms, the risk you're identifying here would be me trying to use a Hayumi read as being worth more than what Hayuni wanted to present. But given the fact that I had ti intentionally draw that out, I don't believe you believe it would be something I try to get away with. And with that being the case, it makes your contention feel rather needless, no?

 

[Neeko]

They may not have a faction kill.

Im working under the impression they don't hence my point that not seeing their process with night kills hurts some solving

 

[Ratchet]

True.

I already feel like im missing something in regards to scum but that could also be caused by a severely weak/inactive team.

The fact they dont night kill also doesnt really help as we have no way to pinpoint where they feel threatened.

Fair, I agree that the solve doesn't really click into place nicely right now too. But as you say, lots of potential reasons for why that may be.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

@Michelle are you town?

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No. They are scum.

 

[Ratchet]

No. They are scum.

Why?

 

[Naomi]

No. They are scum.

mech?

 

[Neeko]

Not really, insofar as if the read is directly prompted from the player, their confidence level within that read will obviously have to play a role in whomever decides to pick up said legacy. In specific terms, the risk you're identifying here would be me trying to use a Hayumi read as being worth more than what Hayuni wanted to present. But given the fact that I had ti intentionally draw that out, I don't believe you believe it would be something I try to get away with. And with that being the case, it makes your contention feel rather needless, no?

This is confusing m8.

I understand why youre doing it and i understand why someone would rather claim to be unsure in their position opposed to definitive. I also understand fence sitting can be a scum trait and that forcing a position can cause them to slip in thought process.

If you want to understand why I cant read you as town part of it has to do with your inability to find me as town. I dont think ive given so little that you can't but I digress. Other players have found me as town in the game so it makes a little weird you cant. Yes im aware you can flip this and say you can say the same about my inability to find you as town where others have.

 

[Ratchet]

This is confusing m8.

I understand why youre doing it and i understand why someone would rather claim to be unsure in their position opposed to definitive. I also understand fence sitting can be a scum trait and that forcing a position can cause them to slip in thought process.

If you want to understand why I cant read you as town part of it has to do with your inability to find me as town. I dont think ive given so little that you can't but I digress. Other players have found me as town in the game so it makes a little weird you cant. Yes im aware you can flip this and say you can say the same about my inability to find you as town where others have.

You not being in my PoE doesn't demonstrate finding you, at least in some capacity? Really? Nor me defending you at several points on the basis that I find the scum case not a compelling answer? That's not enough?

 

[Dale]

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hmmm could be michelle town and i already see alex town, if he flips scum @Ratchet @Hayumi @Polar Bear @Alexis2282AE

he had york green before.


Votes:
Alexis -> Flower > Bittersweet
Flower -> Alexis > Cakewalker > Alexis > Bittersweet > Unvote > Bittersweet
Bradland -> Alexis > Bittersweet
Cakewalker -> Alexis
RippedCal -> Bittersweet > Alexis
Naomi -> Bittersweet
Shuijing -> Sakazouki > Polar > Unvote > Ultra > Yoho > Bittersweet > Unvote > Bittersweet
Alwaysmind -> Bitterweet > Fujishiro > Bittersweet
Polar -> Ultra > Bitter
Orca -> Galaxy > Bittersweet
Ratchet -> Cakewalker
York -> Alexis > Bittersweet
Sakazouki -> Naomi
Boa -> Alexis
Urek -> Bitter
Bittersweet -> Orca
Charlie -> Bittersweet
Galaxy -> Naomi > Bittersweet


Count:
Bittersweet = 14 (Alexis, Naomi, Alwaysmind, Polar, Orca, Urek, Bradland, Charlie, Cakewalker, York, Shuijing, Flower, Galaxy)
Alexis = 2 (RippedCal, Boa)
Cakewalker = 1 (Ratchet)
Orca = 1 (Bittersweet)




]Day 2 - Vote Count 4

Votes:
Naomi -> Cakewalker > Boa > Cake
Alexis -> Boa > Sakazouki
Shuijin -> Boa
Sakazouki -> Boa
Cakewalker -> Naomi > Unvote > Boa
Flower -> Cake > Unvote > Nekko > Sakazouki
Bradland -> Michelle > Sakazouki
Power -> Alexis > Michelle > Sakazouki
Hayumi -> Cakewalker > Unvote > Sakazouki
Boa -> Cakewalker
Neeko -> Cakewalker > Unvote > Sakazouki
Orca -> Neeko
Galaxy -> Cake > unvote> Sakazouki
Charlie -> Sakazouki
Urek -> Saiazouki
Fujishiro -> Sakazouki
Alwaysmind -> Sakazouki
Random Asshole -> Sakazouki


Count:
Sakazouki= 14 (Charlie, Nekko, Hayumi, Flower, Bradland, Urek, Fujishiro, Alwaysmind, Galaxy, Power, Random Asshole, Alexis)
Boa = 3 (Shuijin, Sakazouki, Cakewalker)
Cake = 2 (Naomi, Boa)
Neeko = 1 (Orca)



Votes:
Neeko -> CakeWalker
Power -> Alexis > Bradland > CakeWalker
Flower -> Neeko > Unvote > CakeWalker > Neeko
Michelle -> Neeko > Unvote
Hayumi -> CakeWalker > Unvote > CakeWalker
Naomi -> CakeWalker
Fujishiro -> CakeWalker
Orca -> Fuji > Bradland
CakeWalker -> Jan > Ratchet > Unvote > Orca > Neeko > CakeWalker > Unvote
Alwaysmind -> Michelle > CakeWalker
Shuijing -> Yoho > CakeWalker
Galaxy -> CakeWalker > Neeko > CakeWalker
Bradland -> Michelle > CakeWalker
Boa -> CakeWalker
Yoho -> Bradland
Polar -> CakeWalker
Ratchet -> CakeWalker


Count:
CakeWalker = 13 (Neeko, Naomi, Fujishiro, Power, Galaxy, Bradland, Boa, Shuijing, Alwaysmind, Polar, Ratchet, Hayumi)
Neeko = 3 (Flower, CakeWalker)
Bradland = 2 (Orca, Yoho)

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This is pretty insightful actually.

 

[Dale]

Like for the most part, my vote record is pretty clean in hindsight.

 

[Alexis2282AE]

Like for the most part, my vote record is pretty clean in hindsight.

Yes, the bussing is strong with you.

 

[Neeko]

You not being in my PoE doesn't demonstrate finding you, at least in some capacity? Really? Nor me defending you at several points on the basis that I find the scum case not a compelling answer? That's not enough?

If I was scum in your position id leave me in wider poe and have other people hopefully mislynched. The longer im alive and not cleared in any capacity the longer flower/3p will get that i need to get and eventually you can just defer to their poe as yours isnt working and then when I am eventually mislynched it wouldnt look bad on you as you were simply deferring to someone else's poe when yours wasnt working and concede it may have been a blind spot for you.

I dont know 100% if youd do this but it is both optimal and logical to do so I cant rule it out

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Vote Neeko