Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1172 Spoilers Discussion

[Jackteo]

I just disagree
Here is the reality
Shamrock is the only one through potrayal that might be top tier (he was getting the shanks strength level gas in the flashback)
Gunko is the only one with a decent feat low diffing the whole crew with her immortality playing no role.

The rest are not impressive even Garlic was already hinted being a bum potrayed as a potential rival to sommers (which i was absolutely right on btw. ey lmao, see the retarded "garlic is top tier" threads when GV was begining) and than proven to be.

No one even fucking talks about killingham beside the usual suspects

And sommers is only talked about not because of his PL but he has the most character and really funny villain personality

She destroyed half the SHs, yes.
Just not the half that matters.

Their total bounty is over 2 billion and Gunko would have defeated Franky, Robin and Sanji as easily

I really don't get how strong do you think they should be. They are Zoro and Sanji's opponent, any immortal YC1 would be more than a match for them. Sommers is one of the best post TS characters and Killingham first design and fruit are amazing. Perfect for the wings to unlock/train their ACoC.

Garling was underwhelming on GV but he faced the strongest character that ever lived after Joyboy and Imu. Not really his fault.

I will say this as a group they clear the gorobums those characters are so fucking boring i would actually might pause reading one piece if they would became main opponents over a extendend period of time in the final arc or something

Give the Gorosei some time. We know nothing of them and if they were EoS opponents they would get explored a lot. I also think their yokai form come from Imu himself so they might be hiding a DF too. Don't be hasty

Btw I think Teach is the final villain. He just needs Imu's powers and Luffy might give him an opening by acting as a distraction on Elbaf. Teach crew with no regeneration and yokai forms is even worse than the gorosei. At least the old men have style

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

She’s just a comic relief and fanservice character. I thought this was kinda obvious

 

[park_min young]

The vessel matters.



Dude who gives af? We beat Kaido and Big Mom last arc.

We don’t really know how that works yet, and this version is still powerful af just based on their reaction to Imu’s haki. Their reactions paralleled Roger, Garp and Xebec’s reactions when Imu possessed Saturn.

 

[soupongo]

Difference is Killingham is not a gag character.

The reason why fans of a work are always bad at making sequels is because they always just want to repeat the same plot over and over again. This is a good example, Usopp vs Killingham would literally just be a waste

 

[sanjikun]

The wings didn't beat any Yonko lmao

Dorry/Broggy are fine for them. But Luffy, Loki and Gaban? need stronger ops

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

@Shiroyru It's interesting you clung to the "Usopp doesn't fight any serious opponents" argument since he's obviously going to fight and defeat Van Augur in an arc or two and I seriously doubt you're going to sit there and say "Nah bro Van Augur is a gag character he's just a meme he's like Trebol really" when it happens cause we all know that'd be dumb as shit lol

 

[Jackteo]

I gotta be honest. This seems very underwhelming for Elbaf. Holy Roppo, Imu or not, aren't hype enough to be villains.

We need Shamrock and the rest to have a proper arc.

I think the HK and the DRed giants are perfectly fine as villains in a short arc. Imu/Gunko is a bit lacking though. DR Loki vs Luffy would be great.

Anything is better than what we got during FMI, Punk Hazard or WCI btw. Shamrock is Loki final opponent so he can't be wasted here

 

[Salah WG]

Elaborate on this.

As I mentioned before, Three Worlds refer to Three Locations,
Similar to Enies Lobby/Marineford/Impel Down or Skypiea/Birka/Shandia or Elbaph's Three Levels,
In Harley They are mentioned as "Within Earth" + "Within Void" + "Within Chaos",

Harley Text isn't about teaching History, it's a Prophecy, so it needs to Start with Events,
It's not going to describe these Locations, what defines them is Events that will happen in them,

This means:

"Within Earth, there was Fire" indicate Problem 1 (Fire) that Reveals to us First Location,
And which Location was recently said to be in a Sea of Flames? Mary Geoise.
Not only Confirming First World, but it also Confirms that First Lines speak of Problems indeed,

This means "Within Void, there was Breath" speaks of Problem 2 in Second Location,
And "Within Chaos, there was Emptiness" speaks of Problem 3 in Third Location,

If I'm right, then Harley should mention Six more Similar Problems,
How do We spot them? They need to be Events mentioned that aren't Resolved within Harley,
For example, it says "Man Killed Sun & became God", means it's gonna happen, it's not a Problem that needs to be Stopped, Someone will indeed Die anyway, but when it says "Sea God Stormed" & that's it, then that's an Unresolved Problem, and We can add it to the List,

In Harley Text, these Nine Problems are teased:

1. Who's gonna Stop "Fire"?
2. Who's gonna Stop "Breath"? (Whatever It is)
3. Who's gonna Stop "Emptiness"? (Whatever It is)
4. Who's gonna Stop "Earth God's Rage"?
5. Who's gonna Stop "Serpent of Hellfire"?
6. Who's gonna Stop "Forest God's Demons"?
7. Who's gonna Stop "War triggered by Sun"?
8. Who's gonna Stop "Sea God's Storm"?
9. Who's gonna Stop "Sun God guiding World to it's End"?

Matching them with Onigashima Nine Problem & it's Foreshadowing would require much Deeper Analysis, which I'm not going to write here, I will just wait till 2 or 3 more Problems show up & everything will become Clearer for everyone.

 

[Cozy Sofa]

Zoros plan? Throw him like a cannon ball so he can Slash Slash Slash and then another giant catches him at the other side. The rest get to cheer for him.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Dorry/Broggy are fine for them. But Luffy, Loki and Gaban? need stronger ops

Gaban is heavily injured and so is Loki, so Imunko works fine for a 1v3 against Luffy Loki and Brook

 

[MonochromeYoru]

As I mentioned before, Three Worlds refer to Three Locations,
Similar to Enies Lobby/Marineford/Impel Down or Skypiea/Birka/Shandia or Elbaph's Three Levels,
In Harley They are mentioned as "Within Earth" + "Within Void" + "Within Chaos",

Harley Text isn't about teaching History, it's a Prophecy, so it needs to Start with Events,
It's not going to describe these Locations, what defines them is Events that will happen in them,

This means:

"Within Earth, there was Fire" indicate Problem 1 (Fire) that Reveals to us First Location,
And which Location was recently said to be in a Sea of Flames? Mary Geoise.
Not only Confirming First World, but it also Confirms that First Lines speak of Problems indeed,

This means "Within Void, there was Breath" speaks of Problem 2 in Second Location,
And "Within Chaos, there was Emptiness" speaks of Problem 3 in Third Location,

If I'm right, then Harley should mention Six more Similar Problems,
How do We spot them? They need to be Events mentioned that aren't Resolved within Harley,
For example, it says "Man Killed Sun & became God", means it's gonna happen, it's not a Problem that needs to be Stopped, Someone will indeed Die anyway, but when it says "Sea God Stormed" & that's it, then that's an Unresolved Problem, and We can add it to the List,

In Harley Text, these Nine Problems are teased:

1. Who's gonna Stop "Fire"?
2. Who's gonna Stop "Breath"? (Whatever It is)
3. Who's gonna Stop "Emptiness"? (Whatever It is)
4. Who's gonna Stop "Earth God's Rage"?
5. Who's gonna Stop "Serpent of Hellfire"?
6. Who's gonna Stop "Forest God's Demons"?
7. Who's gonna Stop "War triggered by Sun"?
8. Who's gonna Stop "Sea God's Storm"?
9. Who's gonna Stop "Sun God guiding World to it's End"?

Matching them with Onigashima Nine Problem & it's Foreshadowing would require much Deeper Analysis, which I'm not going to write here, I will just wait till 2 or 3 more Problems show up & everything will become Clearer for everyone.

Oda reading this:

 

[sanjikun]

Gaban is heavily injured and so is Loki, so Imunko works fine for a 1v3 against Luffy Loki and Brook

"Injured" by fodder Holy Roppo and Sham's dog doesn't count.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The reason why fans of a work are always bad at making sequels is because they always just want to repeat the same plot over and over again. This is a good example, Usopp vs Killingham would literally just be a waste

An opponent ideal for Usopp, one of the main protagonists And most connected to the art, to actually be able to showcase and utilize his abilities is a waste?

 

[soupongo]

An opponent ideal for Usopp, one of the main protagonists And most connected to the art, to actually be able to showcase and utilize his abilities is a waste?

Yeah, if it´s just a silly repeat of a plot point from 15 years ago, it would just be a waste

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

"Injured" by fodder Holy Roppo and Sham's dog doesn't count.

"It doesn't count because I don't want it to!"
Yknow Gerd said he'd be nerfed for a month for a reason, right?

The reason why fans of a work are always bad at making sequels is because they always just want to repeat the same plot over and over again. This is a good example, Usopp vs Killingham would literally just be a waste

..You do realize that repeating plots is literally the entirety of One Piece right?
Every single arc follows the exact same plot beats, the only exceptions are arcs like Long Ring Long Land, Water 7, Punk Hazard and Zou.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yeah, if it´s just a silly repeat of a plot point from 15 years ago, it would just be a waste

Him defeating Killingham wouldn’t be a repeat at all? That’s like saying every Luffy fight is a repeat cause they all end with a punch

 

[Shiroyru]

The reason why fans of a work are always bad at making sequels is because they always just want to repeat the same plot over and over again. This is a good example, Usopp vs Killingham would literally just be a waste

Their logic is that Zoro can’t fight Killingham because they don’t have a connection, but neither does Usopp and Killingham, and Usopp at least shares much more of a connection with Dorry and Brogy than Zoro does @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

 

[soupongo]

..You do realize that repeating plots is literally the entirety of One Piece right?
Every single arc follows the exact same plot beats, the only exceptions are arcs like Long Ring Long Land, Water 7, Punk Hazard and Zou.

 

[SakazOuki]

Oda reading this:

Oda atp draws side tits and asses and adds a couple sentences to go along with it
Meanwhile this dude writing hermatic kabbalah scripts

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

How are you being sarcastic when you were basically implying that you actually didn't realize that most of One Piece is just recycled shit?

Their logic is that Zoro can’t fight Killingham because they don’t have a connection, but neither does Usopp and Killingham, and Usopp at least shares much more of a connection with Dorry and Brogy than Zoro does @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

What was the point of Oda having Zoro and Sanji bicker over who caught a bigger beast in Little Garden?
Also, no one else on Elbaf is strong enough to fight those two since Loki and Luffy will be occupied