Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1172 Spoilers Discussion

[PuckTheGreat]

Not everything is about agenda lmfao, it’s just noticeable that Oda is trying to preserve the logic of powerups. He literally gave Zoro a tool that enables him to force out haki to justify him catching up to Luffy’s natural haki progression.

Logic of power ups is irrelevant but I’ll come back to that in a moment. You’re looking at it backwards. Sanji’s narrative role in the SHs from a combat perspective and precedent with regard to how Oda typically writes battles in big arcs trumps all of that. What you’re implying is that Sanji who is usually delegated with the heavy lifting amongst the SHs combat wise alongside Luffy & Zoro, one of Luffy’s wings isn’t going to be delegated with said role this arc bcoz you cannot wrap your head around he acquires the tool required to perform said narrative role that Oda always delegates to him. Not to mention that we have Sanji's direct parallel introduced to us in this very arc with that very ability.
This sounds very much like the Sanji doesn't have hardening or has weak armament so he's too weak to fight a calamity 1 v 1 tomfoolery mofos were saying on Wano.

Question is not whether Sanji gets CoC or not but rather when he's going to get it during this arc and how Oda has him awaken it.

Back to the topic of logic of PUs. This just sounds to me like roundabout way to gatekeep said PU. If you think every single person that can use ACoC acquired it through the exact same process that Luffy did then I don't know what to tell you. Regardless even if if I were to play devil’s advocate and agree with your "logic of power ups" take. What is stopping Oda from giving Sanji a medium by which he awakens CoC like he did Zoro according to you on Wano via let’s say PoL for example.

That argument makes little sense in comparison to the weight of Sanji's narrtive role in the SHs combat wise.

 

[Welkin]

Luffy Haki plays importantly equal role when it comes that.

Same doesn't apply to Law because really no Haki feat so far. FS is out question if he got CoO worse than Zoro.

CoA is logical enough given he has a sword. But again the realm he will be fighting in right now. That level of CoA is not helping him.

CoC is completely out of options for him ngl.

He will more less peak at Yonkou level with your Extra Awakening buff.

But I don't see him surpassing that as of now.

How is FS out of the question? Even if you think he has worse CoO than Zoro (which is debatable to begin with) isn’t the general consensus that Zoro has a very real chance of unlocking FS against Shiryu

How would emission/internal destruction not help him? It’s a buff for sure. Maybe not a huge one but he would grow stronger

CoC is honestly only debatable because the Ope fruit is so hax that Oda could easily say that he can naturally counter the regeneration with it. It’s still on the table though I feel like Law fits the bill of what a conqueror could be (plus he’s a major character so who knows)

Yonko level is guaranteed but he’ll go beyond that imo. The Gorosei will probably be on par with the Yonko at the very least by the Final War

 

[WkainuWheWoat]

ok but realy now is there a reson why in every single combo attack Zoro always uses far weaker attacks than Sanji in they Power progression?

is there a reson why Zoro always beats stronger opponents while again not using his real Power? like why do People not question that fact?
for Zoro to pull out his strongest attack he had to break 30 bones and against a Yonko. do People not understand that Asura and Diablo literally are the same Powerprogression and it took a Octopus to pull out Diablo while it took Kaido to pull out Asura.

same thing again with they new Powerups, Sanji uses it against a house cat and against Luffy, Zoro still to this day has not even used 1 KoH attack even tho he faced Lucci. that is the fact Sanji fans are hiding for the past 10 years. Zoro actually strongest attack right now is Asura serpen attack but it would take a at least Yonko lvl character to pull that one out. Sanji might pull out his strongest atatck against Nightmare monsters Killingham made. that is what I mean with its alway Luffy>Zoro>Sanji btw the gab of the is exactly the same. its not like Luffy is a 100, Zoro 80 and Sanji 79.9. its a clear cut 100,90,80

 

[Cozy Sofa]

ok but realy now is there a reson why in every single combo attack Zoro always uses far weaker attacks than Sanji in they Power progression?

is there a reson why Zoro always beats stronger opponents while again not using his real Power? like why do People not question that fact?
for Zoro to pull out his strongest attack he had to break 30 bones and against a Yonko. do People not understand that Asura and Diablo literally are the same Powerprogression and it took a Octopus to pull out Diablo while it took Kaido to pull out Asura.

same thing again with they new Powerups, Sanji uses it against a house cat and against Luffy, Zoro still to this day has not even used 1 KoH attack even tho he faced Lucci. that is the fact Sanji fans are hiding for the past 10 years. Zoro actually strongest attack right now is Asura serpen attack but it would take a at least Yonko lvl character to pull that one out. Sanji might pull out his strongest atatck against Nightmare monsters Killingham made. that is what I mean with its alway Luffy>Zoro>Sanji btw the gab of the is exactly the same. its not like Luffy is a 100, Zoro 80 and Sanji 79.9. its a clear cut 100,90,80

Its more 100-80-60. Or actually I think the correct ratio is Zoro is ≈ 60 of Luffy and Sanji is about 60 % of Zoro.

 

[ヴィハーン]

How is FS out of the question? Even if you think he has worse CoO than Zoro (which is debatable to begin with) isn’t the general consensus that Zoro has a very real chance of unlocking FS against Shiryu

Zoro doesn't need FS to beat Shiryu.
I'm hella sure it would be something related Wado ichimoji.

How would emission/internal destruction not help him? It’s a buff for sure. Maybe not a huge one but he would grow stronger

At his level it's useless. He will be fighting stronger opponents from now on. I barely see him surpassing Zoro level CoA in Wano pre rooftop.

CoC is honestly only debatable because the Ope fruit is so hax that Oda could easily say that he can naturally counter the regeneration with it. It’s still on the table though I feel like Law fits the bill of what a conqueror could be (plus he’s a major character so who knows)

He would have shown signs for it then, Kidd was confirmed conqueror even before Wano.
Kidd has morr chances to be in adcoc list than Law.

Yonko level is guaranteed but he’ll go beyond that imo. The Gorosei will probably be on par with the Yonko at the very least by the Final War

But again as you said, his fruit can work around. I can't really put him comfortable there yet.

For now until further notice, yonkou level is all I'm hoping for.
Because above that tiers like Roger, Whitebeard, Xebec exists.
Two of them are full fledged Swordsman with possibly the strongest haki removing god tier characters. And other has Paramacia fruit + Advamced conqueror.

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Conqueror mentality right there.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

@ConquistadoR
Hey man, why are you insulting mzts like that ? It's not good to be rude to people online, especially in these times when the world needs so much love. I used to be like that on a previous account, but thankfully I realized it and changed for the better.
Could this have something to do with him being one of the autistic people on the forum ? I am too, and I get along well with you.

no it's because i don't think doflamingo is as strong as he thinks he is
but yes it is also a hint of ableism in there

 

[Welkin]

Zoro doesn't need FS to beat Shiryu.
I'm hella sure it would be something related Wado ichimoji.

We’ll see but a Zoro CoO upgrade feels like it’s been up and coming for a while now

At his level it's useless. He will be fighting stronger opponents from now on. I barely see him surpassing Zoro level CoA in Wano pre rooftop

Why would emission and internal destruction ever be useless? You could argue the jump that he makes wouldn’t be crazy but “useless” is a wild take

He would have shown signs for it then, Kidd was confirmed conqueror even before Wano.
Kidd has morr chances to be in adcoc list than Law.

Kidd was a confirmed conqueror IN Wano. The whole “showing signs” thing is extra vague

No one’s gonna say Koby “showed signs” but we know he’s gonna get it assuming he doesn’t have it already

Naturally Kidd has a higher chance cause he’s already a confirmed conqueror lol

But again as you said, his fruit can work around. I can't really put him comfortable there yet.

For now until further notice, yonkou level is all I'm hoping for.
Because above that tiers like Roger, Whitebeard, Xebec exists.
Two of them are full fledged Swordsman with possibly the strongest haki removing god tier characters. And other has Paramacia fruit + Advamced conqueror.
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Conqueror mentality right there.

Law has the ultimate fruit that was worth 5 billion. It wouldn’t be very surprising if he was able to hit crazy levels with his fruit alone

 

[ヴィハーン]

no it's because i don't think doflamingo is as strong as he thinks he is
but yes it is also a hint of ableism in there

Fuck it.

Zori greatness next chapter.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Fuck it.

Zori greatness next chapter.

I don't know what that had to do with my comment but yeah he's probably gonna do something devious soon

 

[ヴィハーン]

We’ll see but a Zoro CoO upgrade feels like it’s been up and coming for a while now

I frankly don't think so that will be the case.
Zoro can incline more towards FS killer or Nothing at all. Xebec, roger, WB none of them were confirmed with FS or even shown using that.

Why would emission and internal destruction ever be useless? You could argue the jump that he makes wouldn’t be crazy but “useless” is a wild take

Yep, I'll repeat it. It will be borderline useless given the characters he will be fighting. They can simply destroy that barrier. The fact most already has better haki than Low.
Barrier isn't invincible. He can use it to Undi devil fruit effect. But that's all. And to add more, oda intentionally went that route with Low.

Kidd was a confirmed conqueror IN Wano. The whole “showing signs” thing is extra vague

No one’s gonna say Koby “showed signs” but we know he’s gonna get it assuming he doesn’t have it already

Naturally Kidd has a higher chance cause he’s already a confirmed conqueror lol

Naah it was nearly confirmed from the fact He was trained by garp. He doesn't have a DF. And training to be another rpelica of Garp.

Law has the ultimate fruit that was worth 5 billion. It wouldn’t be very surprising if he was able to hit crazy levels with his fruit alone

I think that's more related to Immortal surgery than fruit powers.

 

[HeroesNZ]

"Nami and the others are by the school, why's it on fire!??"

Zoro: "Anyway..."

😭

 

[SakazOuki]

Sadly no one on the protagonist side is as competent and effective as Mr. 3

 

[mly90]

"Nami and the others are by the school, why's it on fire!??"

Zoro: "Anyway..."

😭

That Mihawk tag is fabulous great job @Pot Goblin you cooked with this one

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Low is pure df merchant I would bet Sanjino has a lot higher chances of obtaining this ability

I was trolling lol

 

[Welkin]

I frankly don't think so that will be the case.
Zoro can incline more towards FS killer or Nothing at all. Xebec, roger, WB none of them were confirmed with FS or even shown using that.

Isn’t Zoro’s goal to surpass those guys? Sure, he doesn’t need it but it would be an easy way for Oda to justify Zoro passing them up

Plus the current WSS is known as “Hawk-Eye” and if you take concepts into account would’ve been known as the “Clairvoyant”

It would be pretty weird if Zoro had regular CoO when Mihawk could have top 5 CoO in the verse (potentially even higher which might’ve pushed Shanks to create FS killing)

Yep, I'll repeat it. It will be borderline useless given the characters he will be fighting. They can simply destroy that barrier. The fact most already has better haki than Low.
Barrier isn't invincible. He can use it to Undi devil fruit effect. But that's all. And to add more, oda intentionally went that route with Low.

Was the barrier useless when Zoro was able to block Hakai for a bit? It was a game changer

I don’t really see why the same wouldn’t apply to Law. I’m not saying he jumps tiers if he obtains it but “useless” is a stretch for sure

Naah it was nearly confirmed from the fact He was trained by garp. He doesn't have a DF. And training to be another rpelica of Garp.

Well yeah narratively everyone knew Koby was gonna be a conqueror due to him being set up as the future of the Marines/heir to Garp’s fighting style

But Law also has significant narrative importance and that paired with Oda consistently playing him up as a strong fighter means he has a chance of unlocking it

I think that's more related to Immortal surgery than fruit powers.

True, but even Doflamingo noted that there were multiple incredibly broken things about the fruit. Like the soul switching aspect

For all we know there are certain parts of the Ope Ope no Mi that are unexplored

 

[WkainuWheWoat]

Its more 100-80-60. Or actually I think the correct ratio is Zoro is ≈ 60 of Luffy and Sanji is about 60 % of Zoro.

yeh the % is not what I think either, the 100, 90, 80 was just random pulled out of my ass nummbers. I think Luffy is around 30% stronger than Zoro aka its a good fight but when Luffy goes all out he beats Zoro without getting close to death or anything like that. same with Zoro vs Sanji where I think its a realy good fight until Zoro goes all out and uses his strongest attacks were Sanji just cant keep up with it

 

[moreha9685]

@RayanOO chapter's out, lock this thread.

 

[ヴィハーン]

True, but even Doflamingo noted that there were multiple incredibly broken things about the fruit. Like the soul switching aspect

This, I was reading a theory about how, Doffy wanted the fruit to switch soul with Imu or someome in WG and use Immortal surgery on that guy.

 

[Juanpiz]

@RayanOO chapter's out, lock this thread.

Who made you the Boss

 

[moreha9685]

Who made you the Boss

Frieren's shadow.